Monday, April 15th 2019

MSI Betrays AMD's Socket AM4 Longevity Promise: No Zen2 for 300-series?

Greedy motherboard vendors such as MSI want you to buy a new motherboard every two generations of processor for no sound reason at all. MSI is reportedly blocking support for 3rd generation Ryzen "Matisse" processors on its AMD 300-series chipset motherboards, including those based on high-end AMD X370 and OC-capable B350 chipsets. This would also put those who own $300 motherboards such as the X370 XPower out of luck. To recap, AMD announced on numerous occasions that it doesn't want to be a greedy clique like its competitor, by forcing motherboard upgrades and promised that socket AM4 motherboards will be backwards and forwards compatible with at least four generations of Ryzen processors, running all the way up to 2020.

This normally should mean that any 300-series motherboard must support 4th generation Ryzen processors with a simple BIOS update. Most 300-series motherboards, including from MSI, even ship with USB BIOS Flashback feature to help with forwards compatibility. Unfortunately, motherboard companies such as MSI care more about their bottom-lines than the consumer. In a support e-mail to an X370 XPower Titanium owner, MSI confirmed that it will not extend Zen 2 support to AMD 300-series. Other motherboard vendors could follow MSI's suit as a representative of another motherboard vendor, on condition of anonymity, told TechPowerUp that "Zen 2" processors have steeper electrical requirements that 300-series motherboards don't meet. This is an excuse similar to the one Intel gave for the planned obsolescence of its 100-series and 200-series chipsets, even as it was repeatedly proven that those motherboards can run and overclock 9th generation processors with custom firmware just fine. Would MSI care to explain whether a B450M PRO-M2 has a stronger VRM than an X370 XPower Titanium to warrant "Zen 2" support? Will all "Zen 2" processor SKUs have steep electrical requirements? Will there not be any SKUs with double-digit-Watt TDP ratings?

Update (16/04): MSI posted a clarification on this issue.
Source: master3553 (Reddit)
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335 Comments on MSI Betrays AMD's Socket AM4 Longevity Promise: No Zen2 for 300-series?

#326
nemesis.ie
No, they aren't.

I'm talking about r/etailers doing the UEFI upgrades for their customers.
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#327
thebluebumblebee
nemesis.ieOne would think dealers could pre-flash their stock?
The answer to this depends on what part of the world you're in. "Pre-flashing", by law, renders an item as "used" and can no longer be sold as new in some areas. Should a dealer offer to flash a motherboard at the time of sale? Of course.
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#328
moproblems99
nemesis.ieOne would think dealers could pre-flash their stock?
It doesn't matter because AMD will send you a free CPU to do the bios flash. You just have to apply for it.

www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-100
moomeacowso was this article bullshit
Yes, from the very beginning.
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#329
lexluthermiester
Musselstrue for people already on ryzen, not true for people wanting to get into 3rd gen, without getting x570

the x470 and b450 refresh boards will be flowing out soon enough, for 'value' ryzen 3000 options
Sure it is. The existing B450, X470, B350 and X370 boards are and have been shipping with updated firmware. So if you want to upgrade an existing system, flash and go. If you're buying new, you're still good to go as long as you verify that the board you're buying has Ryzen 3xxx support.
nemesis.ieOne would think dealers could pre-flash their stock?
I needed to do that on one board we had in inventory, but had a spare R5-1600 to do it with. All of the rest have been good to go.
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#331
Mussels
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lexluthermiesterSure it is. The existing B450, X470, B350 and X370 boards are and have been shipping with updated firmware. So if you want to upgrade an existing system, flash and go. If you're buying new, you're still good to go as long as you verify that the board you're buying has Ryzen 3xxx support.


I needed to do that on one board we had in inventory, but had a spare R5-1600 to do it with. All of the rest have been good to go.
around here if you order online, you'd never know if you got an updated board or not until it arrived - and you cant return it because you didnt get the preflashed one.
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#332
GoldenX
thebluebumblebeeThought I'd share about my X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM:

That debloated beta BIOS fixed a lot of bugs on my B350 board. It's awesome and I don't want to return to the stupid previous version ever again.
If they get to add RAID again on it, it will be perfect.
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#333
lexluthermiester
Musselsaround here if you order online, you'd never know if you got an updated board or not until it arrived - and you cant return it because you didnt get the preflashed one.
Fair enough, maybe we've just been lucky?
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#334
Mussels
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some of the high quality retailers are now specifying which products have 3000 bios support from the manuf, but if they dont state it, you wont know.

So far i've seen just this one board with support added
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#335
lexluthermiester
Musselssome of the high quality retailers are now specifying which products have 3000 bios support from the manuf, but if they dont state it, you wont know.

So far i've seen just this one board with support added
Maybe more will follow with that declaration. Hopefully anyway.
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