Friday, August 23rd 2019

Alleged Leaked Details on Intel Comet Lake-S Platform Require... You Guessed It... A New Platform

Intel's development of their Core architecture in the post-Ryzen world has been slow, with solutions slowly creeping up in core counts with every new CPU release - but much slowly than rival AMD's efforts. Before Intel can capitalize on a new, more scalable and power-efficient architecture, though, it has to deliver performance and core count increases across its product line to stay as relevant as possible against a much revitalized rival. Enter Comet Lake-S: the desktop parts of Intel's new round of consumer CPUs, which will reportedly see an increase in the maximum core count to a 10-core design. This 10-core design, however, comes with an increase in power consumption (up to 135 W), and the need, once again, for beefier power delivery systems in a new, LGA 1200 package (with 9 more pins that the current LGA 1151).

The move to a new socket and the more stringent power requirements give Intel the opportunity to refresh its chipset offerings once again. If everything stays the same (and there's no reason it should change), new Z470 and Z490 chipsets should be some of the higher tier offerings for builders to pair with their motherboards. The new Comet Lake-S CPUs will still be built in the now extremely refined 14 nm process, and allegedly keep the same 16 PCIe 3.0 lanes as current Coffee Lake Refresh offerings. The new CPU offerings from Intel are expected to roll out in Q1 2020.
Sources: XFastest, via Tom's Hardware
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224 Comments on Alleged Leaked Details on Intel Comet Lake-S Platform Require... You Guessed It... A New Platform

#201
lexluthermiester
Keviny Oliveira
R.I.P Intel, AMD current is better

lol
ToxicTaZ
Lol

Yet AMD has nothing to go against the 9900KS

Let the Gaming Benchmarks begin!
What is with these people? I mean, how bad do people need to shovel that kind of nonsense?
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#202
trparky
ToxicTaZ
Yet AMD has nothing to go against the 9900KS

Let the Gaming Benchmarks begin!
It doesn't matter for those of us who can't afford the "Intel Tax". We can drool all we want over Intel benchmarks but it doesn't matter at the end of the day if you can't afford to buy a 9900KS.

For instance, at my local Microcenter store a 9900K is nearly $470, plus tax that's nearly $510. To have the processor alone be nearly half the cost of your build is insane.
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#203
ToxicTaZ
trparky
It doesn't matter for those of us who can't afford the "Intel Tax". We can drool all we want over Intel benchmarks but it doesn't matter at the end of the day if you can't afford to buy a 9900KS.

For instance, at my local Microcenter store a 9900K is nearly $470, plus tax that's nearly $510. To have the processor alone be nearly half the cost of your build is insane.
Lol
3900X is selling for $699. In Canada how is that cheap?? The 3950X is even more!!!.... Let's not talk about Threadripper 3....

Don't know what kind of PC Gaming RIG you're trying to build but good advice don't bother! You can't even buy a new Smartphone for the money you're talking about let alone a new gaming RIG PC is 3x the price of the top phones that are out now! iPhone 11, Pixel 4, Note 10, ROG Phone 2 etc etc....

What's the point of running jug fest?

Do yourself a favor and get the 9900KS and have a kick ass CPU that actually performs gaming performance.

9900KS is very soon let the benchmarks begin!

CometLake also going to be very interesting with 10 cores 5GHz even faster than the 9900KS just blows my mind.
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#204
trparky
Who says you need that kind of high-end AMD processor? You don’t need a 3900X when a 3600X is more than capable and won’t break your bank account.

It sounds to me like you have a lot of disposable income. Congratulations, many of us don’t. Most of us have to... just get by with what we can afford. If that means that we won’t be experiencing the highest most awesome gaming experience, so be it.

If one has to sacrifice in the food department just to get the best gaming experience, you need to get your priorities straightened out.
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#205
Crackong
ToxicTaZ
Lol
3900X is selling for $699. In Canada how is that cheap?? The 3950X is even more!!!.... Let's not talk about Threadripper 3....

Don't know what kind of PC Gaming RIG you're trying to build but good advice don't bother! You can't even buy a new Smartphone for the money you're talking about let alone a new gaming RIG PC is 3x the price of the top phones that are out now! iPhone 11, Pixel 4, Note 10, ROG Phone 2 etc etc....

What's the point of running jug fest?

Do yourself a favor and get the 9900KS and have a kick ass CPU that actually performs gaming performance.

9900KS is very soon let the benchmarks begin!

CometLake also going to be very interesting with 10 cores 5GHz even faster than the 9900KS just blows my mind.
1. 3900x is $499 , 3950x is $749
2. You can't play PC games on a phone, done.
3. 10 core CometLake is nothing but a nuclear reactor, check my calculation at #175
4. I am pretty sure the 10 core CometLake will be beaten by Intel's own 9900k(s) in terms of gaming, because it will thermal throttle and struggle to reach 5GHz all-core.
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#206
ToxicTaZ
Huh?
1. Like I said before many times before the 3900X is $699.

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Search/Products?Search=3900X

2. Who said anything about playing PC games on their phone? I pointed out that people are trying to build gaming RIGs the same price as a new top phone.

3. "Nuclear Reactor"? Time for you to go back to school. Want to see a nuclear reactor? Run any AMD 3000 series @5GHz and see what happens.

4. 9900KS already blows away all AMD 3000 series in gaining performance! Cometlake will be even faster!
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#207
GlacierNine
ToxicTaZ

I don't get it. Why exactly are you pouring so much time and effort into praising Intel here?

They're a multibillion dollar corporation. They're not your friend. They don't care about you. Neither does AMD. All they're here to do is take your money.

I'd really like to know exactly why you feel obligated to defend them any time someone thinks that another product might be more suitable for their purposes.
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#208
Crackong
ToxicTaZ
Huh?
1. Like I said before many times before the 3900X is $699.

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Search/Products?Search=3900X

2. Who said anything about playing PC games on their phone? I pointed out that people are trying to build gaming RIGs the same price as a new top phone.

3. "Nuclear Reactor"? Time for you to go back to school. Want to see a nuclear reactor? Run any AMD 3000 series @5GHz and see what happens.

4. 9900KS already blows away all AMD 3000 series in gaining performance! Cometlake will be even faster!
1. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tLCD4D/amd-ryzen-9-3900x-36-ghz-12-core-processor-100-100000023box , $499 / $529

2. Then why are you mentioning ?

3. 135W in a 200mm² package is nuclear, DO THE MATH Genius.

4. 9900ks in gaming will blow 10 core Cometlake out of nowhere, Guaranteed.
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#209
kapone32
ToxicTaZ
Huh?
1. Like I said before many times before the 3900X is $699.

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Search/Products?Search=3900X

2. Who said anything about playing PC games on their phone? I pointed out that people are trying to build gaming RIGs the same price as a new top phone.

3. "Nuclear Reactor"? Time for you to go back to school. Want to see a nuclear reactor? Run any AMD 3000 series @5GHz and see what happens.

4. 9900KS already blows away all AMD 3000 series in gaining performance! Cometlake will be even faster!
1. So Gaming is the be all and end all of CPUs and that 10% at 1080P is great? To me it is a total waste to buy anything over the 3700X for gaming (at 1080P). You seem to be uber confident about a product that has not even launched yet. Neither do we know what this will cost. The 3900X is at that price because it beats the 9900K and probably the 9900KS in everything other than gaming.

2. You can definitely build a gaming PC for less than the top Smart phone even the R5 2600 is good enough for that.

https://www.amazon.ca/AMD-YD2600BBAFBOX-Processeur-RYZEN5-Socket/dp/B07B41WS48/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=R5+2600&qid=1568721388&sr=8-1

$189

https://www.amazon.ca/GIGABYTE-B450M-DS3H-Ryzen-Motherboard/dp/B07FWVJSHC/ref=sxin_0_sk-recsbyspec-1-0c04db5d-295a-49fb-bdf0-da5f83b3894e?keywords=B450&pd_rd_i=B07FWVJSHC&pd_rd_r=1e9105db-713d-4351-898c-ffde5f1e8500&pd_rd_w=VkoHA&pd_rd_wg=1DSHh&pf_rd_p=bc0912d9-f3aa-4379-98df-8dfc3bbbb61b&pf_rd_r=7VJVPAFZW6Z0D7445FSF&qid=1568721410

$100

https://www.amazon.ca/Corsair-Vengeance-3000MHz-Deskt6+p-Memory/dp/B0134EW7G8/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=16gb+ddr4+3000&qid=1568721451&s=electronics&sr=1-3

$100

https://www.amazon.ca/PowerColor-570-AXRX-4GBD5-3DHD-OC/dp/B06ZYRRW9T/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=RX+570&qid=1568721486&s=electronics&sr=1-8

$191

https://www.amazon.ca/Thermaltake-Certified-Active-Supply-PS-SPD-0600NPCWUS-W/dp/B014W3EMAO/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3567NWH9HTWUA&keywords=600w+power+supply&qid=1568721540&s=electronics&sprefix=600W%2Celectronics%2C248&sr=1-3


$65

Right there is $645 but let's got to the cost of the 3900X

https://www.amazon.ca/Deepcool-Tesseract-SW-WH-Window-TESSERACT/dp/B017WECPMM/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=Deepcool+case&qid=1568721683&s=electronics&sr=1-8

So right there a $700 Gaming PC that is good enough for most newbs. Is there any part of this build that sucks?

3. As far as Intel those CPUs go up to 90+C on an OC my 12 core does not go past 65 under load (using the same software).

4. You don't know that, let's keep in mind that the FX chips could clock to 4.9 and beyond and the 9590 was a 5GHZ processor. Then we get Ryzen that does not clock as high but has higher IPC and is faster. The only thing Intel has over Ryzen is single core clock speed so Comet Lake may see IPC gains but not 5 GHZ OC with a node shrink. There is also the fact that more and more games are and will be using multi cores. No one on this forum knows any of the official details about Comet lake including you so don't boast about something that is not yet a reality.
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#210
Crackong
kapone32
Comet Lake may see IPC gains but not 5 GHZ OC with a node shrink.
CometLake is still 14nm +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

We saw what happened from 14nm 6 cores Ringbus -> 14nm 8 cores Ringbus
We can safely expect a portable nuclear reactor for 14nm 10 cores Ringbus . :)
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#211
trparky
ToxicTaZ
9900KS already blows away all AMD 3000 series in gaining performance! Cometlake will be even faster!
And I don't care!!! I don't care about a processor that's outside of my PC budget.

If Intel wants me to buy their stuff from now on, they're going to have to seriously drop their prices. Nearly $500 after-tax for a 9900K is absolutely insane for me. Intel really needs to drop their prices by a decent amount of they're going to continue to have their product be purchased by people who, like me, can get by with slightly less gaming performance while paying a whole lot less. Intel is going to be losing a lot of people in the mid to high segment of the market if they expect people to pay their absolutely insane prices. AMD will have a much better product that will perform within a few percentage points while costing significantly less.

I can say the same thing about an RTX2080Ti which is priced at $1069.99 ($1160.95 after-tax). There is no way in Heaven or Hell that I'm going to pay that damn much, Jen-Hsun Huang is out of his damn mind.
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#212
kapone32
Crackong
CometLake is still 14nm +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

We saw what happened from 14nm 6 cores Ringbus -> 14nm 8 cores Ringbus
We can safely expect a portable nuclear reactor for 14nm 10 cores Ringbus . :)
There are so many "Lake releases" that I can't even keep up. You are absolutely right about the heat production though. Remember when Intel used a home air conditioner to cool their 28 core Skylake_X at Computex :laugh:

trparky
And I don't care!!! I don't care about a processor that's outside of my PC budget.

If Intel wants me to buy their stuff from now on, they're going to have to seriously drop their prices. Nearly $500 after-tax for a 9900K is absolutely insane for me. Intel really needs to drop their prices by a decent amount of they're going to continue to have their product be purchased by people who, like me, can get by with slightly less gaming performance while paying a whole lot less. Intel is going to be losing a lot of people in the mid to high segment of the market if they expect people to pay their absolutely insane prices. AMD will have a much better product that will perform within a few percentage points while costing significantly less.

I can say the same thing about an RTX2080Ti which is priced at $1069.99 ($1160.95 after-tax). There is no way in Heaven or Hell that I'm going to pay that damn much, Jen-Hsun Huang is out of his damn mind.
That sentiment is exactly why AMD is on the Ryse ;).
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#213
Keviny Oliveira
trparky
For those on a budget, yes... AMD does win over Intel.
Not only in prices like too in IPC, performance multitasking, power consumption and support extended for socket AM4, easy overclocking in mobos cheaper, and support for all processor in a mobo simple like a B350 per example, policies with clients of AMD is much better than Intel current, and remeber that AMD has innovation, while Intel is stopped since 2016 in yours 14nm.

ToxicTaZ
Yet AMD has nothing to go against the 9900KS
hahhahaha lol Ryzen 9 3900X beat a i9-9900K in all, a version binned with overclocking not will decreasing the power consumption, increase the cores and threads and fix fail security, you're funny, Ryzen 9 3950X will be smashes all i9-9xxx HEDT in cost per performance and performance per watt.
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#214
juiseman
I still say that Intel has to have something big up its sleeve.
They are getting spanked like a naughty child ATM. Either that, or they just don't care about Desktop performance CPU's as much
as their enterprise hold.
The only thing, is; Epyc is good there as well. Whos knows.....not me for sure...just pure speculation....
I really want to see what Threadripper can do, I don't need that kind of power yet, but the Nerd in me wants to see some benchmarks.....
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#215
Keviny Oliveira
We are experiencing an AMD Ivy Bridge moment where Intel has no innovation and has to release one more refresh with more and more clocks just like the FX 9xxx were, but the fanboys do not accept and say it is not the same.

juiseman
I really want to see what Threadripper can do, I don't need that kind of power yet, but the Nerd in me wants to see some benchmarks.....
Processors 64c/128t are possibles with 7nm in zen2 :p

While Intel in 14nm+++ have to settle for the amount of security flaws and high power consumption of their processors :rolleyes:
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#216
Tatty_One
Super Moder@tor
Just a reminder in here, inflammatory posts including reference to fanboy's and attacks on personal preference will result in thread bans (to start with)….. have an awesome day!
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#217
lexluthermiester
ToxicTaZ
Huh?
1. Like I said before many times before the 3900X is $699.
Incorrect, Newegg lists it for $550;
https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-9-3900x/p/N82E16819113103

Crackong
3. 135W in a 200mm² package is nuclear, DO THE MATH Genius.
Nuclear reactions take place in the range of millions of degrees. A CPU using between 100w and 200w of power hardly qualifies, even when used as a metaphor.
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#218
trparky
He’s just ... on second thought, I’m not going to say what I thought I was going to say. I’d probably get in trouble with the moderators.
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#219
ToxicTaZ
lexluthermiester
Inccorect, Newegg lists it for $550;
https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-9-3900x/p/N82E16819113103


Nuclear reactions take place in the range of millions of degrees. A CPU using between 100w and 200w of power hardly qualifies, even when used as a metaphor.
Like I said before many times before the 3900X is $699. Here in Canada

https://www.newegg.ca/p/pl?d=3900x&N=-1&SortType=8

3950X most likely $999. Here.

CometLake ake will have higher IPC then Coffeelake Refresh at same clock.

9900KS is going to be awesome. Super Binned cheaper than Siliconlottery.com.
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#220
trparky
ToxicTaZ
9900KS is going to be awesome. Super Binned cheaper than Siliconlottery.com.
But still, outside of the price range for most people. The 9900K has been out for several months and we still haven’t seen any price drops.
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#221
Crackong
ToxicTaZ
Like I said before many times before the 3900X is $699. Here in Canada
Newegg.ca was selling 9900k for $750 before discount , $635 after discount.
Your lovely 9900ks will be mostly > $800

Good luck for that. :)
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#222
ToxicTaZ
trparky
But still, outside of the price range for most people. The 9900K has been out for several months and we still haven’t seen any price drops.
9900K is getting a price drop in October to $399. US

9900KS is supposed to be $499. US

Most likely 9900KS will be short lived.... Maybe 6 months production as Cometlake production ramps up.

Since Cometlake doesn't work on Intel 300 series boards, the 9900KS is the 300 series last hurrah.
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#223
trparky
ToxicTaZ
9900KS is supposed to be $499. US
That remains to be seen. I doubt it though. I have a feeling that it’s going to be more expensive than that.
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#224
lexluthermiester
ToxicTaZ
Like I said before many times before the 3900X is $699. Here in Canada
Ah, there was the problem. As both of our nations use the term dollar with a $, it might be a good idea in future to state $699C or note Canadian currency in some way.
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