Friday, August 23rd 2019

Alleged Leaked Details on Intel Comet Lake-S Platform Require... You Guessed It... A New Platform

Intel's development of their Core architecture in the post-Ryzen world has been slow, with solutions slowly creeping up in core counts with every new CPU release - but much slowly than rival AMD's efforts. Before Intel can capitalize on a new, more scalable and power-efficient architecture, though, it has to deliver performance and core count increases across its product line to stay as relevant as possible against a much revitalized rival. Enter Comet Lake-S: the desktop parts of Intel's new round of consumer CPUs, which will reportedly see an increase in the maximum core count to a 10-core design. This 10-core design, however, comes with an increase in power consumption (up to 135 W), and the need, once again, for beefier power delivery systems in a new, LGA 1200 package (with 9 more pins that the current LGA 1151).

The move to a new socket and the more stringent power requirements give Intel the opportunity to refresh its chipset offerings once again. If everything stays the same (and there's no reason it should change), new Z470 and Z490 chipsets should be some of the higher tier offerings for builders to pair with their motherboards. The new Comet Lake-S CPUs will still be built in the now extremely refined 14 nm process, and allegedly keep the same 16 PCIe 3.0 lanes as current Coffee Lake Refresh offerings. The new CPU offerings from Intel are expected to roll out in Q1 2020.
Sources: XFastest, via Tom's Hardware
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224 Comments on Alleged Leaked Details on Intel Comet Lake-S Platform Require... You Guessed It... A New Platform

#126
Tartaros
Vya Domus, post: 4103636, member: 169281"
There are two possibilities here, either Intel are inept and can't make future proof sockets or they are intentionally changing sockets for some other reason beyond a technical one. None of these two options could be called progress.
The answer relies on socket 775. The last 2 strokes of netburst and the entire core 2 lineup on a single socket. You could have bought a cheap 945 mobo and have it for years before the cpu line up was dead, now imagine all the mobo makers giving heat to intel because cheap bastards who dared to be money wise almost didn't spent a penny for their cheap but effective pcs.

But with all the shit we are having on intel's part lately we could get some reparations. Come on, my 8700k was hit hard by the fucking exploits, at least a discount or an exchange with the fixes on hardware would be nice on their part, they have been amassing money like the little greedy goblins they are for more than 10 years and that would help me economically and them in PR. But no, let's roll another cliffhanger of the 10nm with a different socket, don't dare to think you can save your mobo.

I should have gone with amd this one.
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#127
Vya Domus
lexluthermiester, post: 4103849, member: 134537"
making accusations that Intel is doing something nefarious
I did not, you are making stuff up. I simply stated they may have other reasons besides technical ones and I was always adamant to mention this is a possibility not a certainty. Point me to the comment where I claim with absolute conviction that they must be doing some nefarious.

As I said, don't let your feelings get the better of you. I know you're here to protect your favorite company and that my remarks made you uncomfortable but at the very least don't put words in my mouth.
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#128
lexluthermiester
Vya Domus, post: 4103870, member: 169281"
I did not, you are making stuff up.
Anyone who can read and understand context can see what you directly implied.
Vya Domus, post: 4103870, member: 169281"
I simply stated they may have other reasons besides technical ones and I was always adamant to mention this is a possibility not a certainty.
And here's you admitting it, in the very same statement no less.
Vya Domus, post: 4103870, member: 169281"
As I said, don't let your feelings get the better of you.
Ok.
Vya Domus, post: 4103870, member: 169281"
I know you're here to protect your favorite company and that my remarks made you uncomfortable but at the very least don't put words in my mouth.
Oh yes, because you know me soo well. :rolleyes::kookoo:

We're done here. If you think Intel is doing something "iffy" with this new product release, prove it. Otherwise..
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#129
Vya Domus
lexluthermiester, post: 4103876, member: 134537"
And here's you admitting it, in the very same statement no less.
Because stating a possibility must mean I am also making an accusation ? I must say, you are really revolutionizing the English language here and the meaning of it's words. And there you were talking about people who can read and understand context, you're a walking oxymoron buddy.
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#130
lexluthermiester
Vya Domus, post: 4103881, member: 169281"
Because stating a possibility must mean I am also making an accusation ?
That's the general idea. But more importantly it was the vocabulary you used earlier in the thread.
Vya Domus, post: 4103881, member: 169281"
I must say, you are really revolutionizing the English language here and the meaning of it's words.
Ad Hominem hyperbole.
Vya Domus, post: 4103881, member: 169281"
And there you were talking about people who can read and understand context, you're a walking oxymoron buddy.
Here's an idea, go back to your earlier statements and re-read, stepping outside your own head while you do it.

We're now off topic and I'm out.
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#131
Vya Domus
lexluthermiester, post: 4103889, member: 134537"
Here's an idea, go back to your earlier statements and re-read
I am definitely not the one who needs to do the reading here. English classes and dictionaries, those are needed here and not for me. No matter how much you'd like it to be the case you can't make stuff up on the spot and reinterpret things until they fit with your narrative, that's just straight up denial.

Or rather, you can, but it's worthless, as is any other attempt to question my understanding afterwards. I warned you to not shot yourself in the foot, you insisted to do just that.

lexluthermiester, post: 4103889, member: 134537"
I'm out.
About time.
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#132
Nkd
lol Q1 2020, and then AMD is suppose to release zen 3 mid next year as drop in upgrade? Hmm.

Plus is intel including a chiller with that CPU? I can only imagine the heat coming out of it given how hot the 9900ks already got.
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#133
lexluthermiester
Vya Domus, post: 4103897, member: 169281"
About time.
Like I said...
lexluthermiester, post: 4103849, member: 134537"
"Prove up or shut up" is what I believe the term is. Please do so.
...still waiting..
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#134
Vya Domus
lexluthermiester, post: 4103904, member: 134537"
...still waiting..
And you shall wait indeed until you can properly understand what is being said. So don't get ahead of yourself asking for proofs of any kind when you showed you couldn't even comprehend what was going on.
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#135
chodaboy19
Even if they stay PCIe 3.0, intel should increase the number of lanes at minimum... It's yet another generation that I will skip while my aging 4770K tries its best to keep my wallet shut... lol
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#136
1d10t
I don't see any new logo for i9,sooo...
- these new CPU "up to 10 core" are i7 ?
- perform slightly better than 9900K with 2 extra cores, so no room left for i9 in the mainstream?
- send back i9 to HEDT?
- such a short lifespan for best gaming CPU.

Congratulation Intel, you now entering full bulldozer mode :D
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#137
dj-electric
1d10t, post: 4103989, member: 110464"
I don't see any new logo for i9,sooo...
- these new CPU "up to 10 core" are i7 ?
- perform slightly better than 9900K with 2 extra cores, so no room left for i9 in the mainstream?
- send back i9 to HEDT?
- such a short lifespan for best gaming CPU.

Congratulation Intel, you now entering full bulldozer mode :D
or maybe this picture is just a part of Comet-Lake-S PR photos? maybe?
(yes, it is)

Stop taking everything you see in media too literally. for f&*k's sake.
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#138
dyonoctis
To be fair, with the way that Intel managed their socket, it's easy to think that they keep the number of pins on the edge on purpose, and isn't at all interested in making a platform that would work on several generation. They went from 1556 to 1555 to 1550 but then realised again that they needed one more pin and 1551 was born. Now they want to make a 10 core cpu, wich apparently needs 49 more pins, when AMD got enough leeway with their 1331 pins to make a transition from 8 core to 16 cores.
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#139
1d10t
dj-electric, post: 4103997, member: 87186"
or maybe this picture is just a part of Comet-Lake-S PR photos? maybe?
(yes, it is)
Stop taking everything you see in media too literally. for f&*k's sake.
Indeed, conceivably. I handle leaks, rumour as its suppose to be, assumption.
So new badge actually for Ice Lake, no love for these Comet Lakes ? Are you not baffled by these stunts, marketing 2 different uArch under the same 10th Gen flag? :D
Either there's no i9 from Ice Lake or i9 from Comet Lake are on par with i7 Ice Lake :rolleyes:
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#140
1d10t
jaggerwild, post: 4104023, member: 61229"
Go enjoy your non overclockable Ryzen Fail! 4.75mhz lolz!
Actually I am :D
No need to fiddling all days, delidding hundred dollar CPU and voiding warranty in process, put extra dollar for cooling, mambo jambo with "AVX offset", just plugged in let auto do the rest. I don't need more headache while running virtual machine.
Just come into my mind, if i7 8700K 6c12t had 3.7Ghz base, i7 9700K 8c 8t had 3.6Ghz base, could that be future i7 Comet Lake would be 10c10t 3.5Ghz base? :rolleyes:
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#141
RainingTacco
From a consumer standpoint Intel should allow at least two generations[no refresh!] on same chipset, maybe even three, like the AMD did with ryzen series. That's a sweet spot of upgrade possibility with still bringing an up to date chipsets.
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#142
efikkan
I really hope Comet Lake will regain some base clocks. I believe the reclining base clocks is a result of increasing core count while retaining TDP and node, and the node refinements haven't been enough to keep the base clocks up.

There have been engineering samples of Cascade Lake-X running at 4.0 GHz base, and I do believe it would be possible for Comet Lake-S as well if the cores are a little realigned.

Personally, I don't think the mainstream market needs more than 8 cores for now, even though AMD offers 12 and soon 16 cores. Making faster cores which scales well across fewer cores are more important for most real workloads. i9-9900K today struggles with throttling due to thermal density. With some tweaks, increased TDP to 125W, a sustained 4 GHz under multithreaded AVX load and sustained ~4.7 GHz under non-AVX loads could yield a ~5-10% performance increase without going beyond 5 GHz max boost, and that's without changing the architecture.
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#143
ZoneDymo
lexluthermiester, post: 4103849, member: 134537"
snip

See above. I am not and I don't need to do anything at all. Neither does Intel. Their making an advance, just like AMD did with the AM4 socket. It's a technological advance(are you people sensing a theme yet?) that supports another technological advance. The people bemoaning the new socket seem to forget that you don't own Intel, you not the engineers involved with the product advancement and you do not get to decide how the technology advances. See how that works?
Honestly man.... I dont know what has gotten into you, maybe you have always been this way.
I dont mean to insult but the back and forths you are having in this thread, its like you are 12 years old, again, really not trying to insult here.

Take a step back and read it all again.


Now I dont really expect you to read all this, in fact I expect you to reply maybe with a retort on the "12 year old" thing and thats it, but Im going to try anyway, if only for the others here.

We dont own/control Intel, no.
If we did we would not be "bemoaning" as we would just change what they are doing....
Bemoaning obviously comes from a place of lesser power.

However:
This is a tech website, you know this.
This is the comment section of said tech website, you know this.
We are here to comment on the news the website reports, you know this.
These comments are often opinions we share about choices a company makes, you know this.
These opinions might be positive or negative towards the company, you know this.

In this case, I and many others here feel its ridiculous for Intel to (among other things) release yet another new socket, we are allowed to feel that way and express that as that is the sole purpose of the comment section, you know this.
We, the consumers Intel is making these products for, are not happy with this choice, we feel its not needed (again, what is wrong with just adapted socket 2066 that already exists?) and are probably not going to buy an Intel cpu for our next upgrade if they keep this up.
Its best for both us and the company to be aware of that.

Now Im not going to repeat what I typed in the previous comment I dont think you even read entirely, much like this one probably, but I will say again, your defense towards Intel is just really strange.
Its not objective, its not playing devils advocate, its more like a mother who does not really understand what is going on, trying to protect her child or something.
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#144
DeathtoGnomes
new socket, why am i not surprised? and without other "advancements", again a real shocker, no doubt saving those additions for a rainy day.

There's a party in your pants all you Intel Fanbois from around the globe over this.
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#145
lexluthermiester
ZoneDymo, post: 4104059, member: 66089"
Honestly man.... I dont know what has gotten into you, maybe you have always been this way.
:rolleyes: I'm not the problem here.
ZoneDymo, post: 4104059, member: 66089"
I dont mean to insult but the back and forths you are having in this thread, its like you are 12 years old, again, really not trying to insult here.
You don't mean to insult, but you're going to anyway?
ZoneDymo, post: 4104059, member: 66089"
Take a step back and read it all again.
Way ahead of you..
ZoneDymo, post: 4104059, member: 66089"
Now I dont really expect you to read all this, in fact I expect you to reply maybe with a retort on the "12 year old" thing and thats it, but Im going to try anyway, if only for the others here.
OH, I'm with you. So far that 12 year old thing is going well.
ZoneDymo, post: 4104059, member: 66089"
We dont own/control Intel, no.
If we did we would not be "bemoaning" as we would just change what they are doing....
Bemoaning obviously comes from a place of zero power.
Fixed that for you.
ZoneDymo, post: 4104059, member: 66089"
However:
This is a tech website, you know this.
This is the comment section of said tech website, you know this.
With you so far, yes.
ZoneDymo, post: 4104059, member: 66089"
We are here to comment on the news the website reports, you know this.
These comments are often opinions we share about choices a company makes, you know this.
Commenting is one thing. Whining and bemoaning technological advances because YOU don't understand them is completely another.
ZoneDymo, post: 4104059, member: 66089"
These opinions might be positive or negative towards the company, you know this.
Hmm..
ZoneDymo, post: 4104059, member: 66089"
In this case, I and many others here feel its ridiculous for Intel to (among other things) release yet another new socket, we are allowed to feel that way and express that as that is the sole purpose of the comment section, you know this.
Feelings on this matter are as irrelevant as they are misinformed. Intel does not listen to the feelings of the general public. They care about providing a product line that is a measurable advancement from their previous product line. A new socket allows for that advance. This is how technology advancement works, has always worked and will continue to work.
ZoneDymo, post: 4104059, member: 66089"
We, the consumers Intel is making these products for, are not happy with this choice
Don't like it? That's your choice, but feelings aren't going to change anything.
ZoneDymo, post: 4104059, member: 66089"
we feel its not needed
That is because the need for the extra 49 pins is not understood by you.
ZoneDymo, post: 4104059, member: 66089"
(again, what is wrong with just adapted socket 2066 that already exists?)
Different product line and if you want one, go buy it. No one is stopping you.
ZoneDymo, post: 4104059, member: 66089"
and are probably not going to buy an Intel cpu for our next upgrade if they keep this up.
And there it is, your true voice. Vote with your wallet.
ZoneDymo, post: 4104059, member: 66089"
Its best for both us and the company to be aware of that.
Surely, Intel will take note...:rolleyes:
ZoneDymo, post: 4104059, member: 66089"
Now Im not going to repeat what I typed in the previous comment I dont think you even read entirely, much like this one probably,
How we doing on that, eh?
ZoneDymo, post: 4104059, member: 66089"
but I will say again, your defense towards Intel is just really strange.
I'm not defending Intel any more or less than I would defend AMD(or anyone else). No one whined and complained when AMD introduced socket AM4 and TR4. So why are you all complaining about a socket 1200 from Intel? Maybe instead of barking at me for pointing a commonly known attribute of the computer technology industry you all should go do some research and actually look at how often AMD/Intel have released new sockets. Just throwing it out there.
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#146
DeathtoGnomes
lexluthermiester, post: 4104086, member: 134537"
I'm not defending Intel any more or less than I would defend AMD(or anyone else). No one whined and complained when AMD introduced socket AM4 and TR4. So why are you all complaining about a socket 1200 from Intel? Maybe instead of barking at me for pointing a commonly known attribute of the computer technology industry you all should go do some research and actually look at how often AMD/Intel have released new sockets. Just throwing it out there.
so, uhh, how loooonnnggggg has it been since Intel's last socket? 6 months? 9 months? I forgot what I had for lunch yesterday.
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#147
dyonoctis
lexluthermiester, post: 4104086, member: 134537"
I'm not defending Intel any more or less than I would defend AMD(or anyone else). No one whined and complained when AMD introduced socket AM4 and TR4. So why are you all complaining about a socket 1200 from Intel? Maybe instead of barking at me for pointing a commonly known attribute of the computer technology industry you all should go do some research and actually look at how often AMD/Intel have released new sockets. Just throwing it out there.
In the case of am4/tr4, am3+ was not only a very old platform using old standards, AM4/TR4 was also accompanied by the launch of cpu that had nothing to do with the old product and was noticeably better on all aspect.

Here it looks like a quick fix for something Intel wasn't prepared for...
I guess people are just tired of yet another 14nm++++ refinement, and want sunny cove already. I feel that this beomoning wouldn't have happened if comet lake was something really new.
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#148
DeathtoGnomes
dyonoctis, post: 4104090, member: 111394"
In the case of am4/tr4, am3+ was not only a very old platform using old standards, AM4/TR4 it was also accompanied by the launch of cpu that had nothing to do with the old product and was noticeably better on all aspect.

Here it looks like a quick fix for something Intel wasn't prepared for...
what old standards here? if they work as needed, its not old.
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#149
dyonoctis
DeathtoGnomes, post: 4104092, member: 151150"
what old standards here? if they work as needed, its not old.
The lack of nvme, pci 3.0, native usb 3.0 support... am3+ was stuck in the past for a long time, I doubt that people would have wanted to stay on their old boards even if there were somehow compatible with ryzen.
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#150
64K
It doesn't bother me in the slightest if Intel changed the socket every month. I build a new rig around every 4 years and buy a new CPU and MOBO. What Intel does in between doesn't affect me at all.

If you want to upgrade every time Intel drops a new CPU then I guess you have reason to be displeased.
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