Thursday, April 9th 2020

Intel 10nm Product Lineup for 2020 Revealed: Alder Lake and Ice Lake Xeons

A leaked Intel internal slide surfaced on Chinese social networks, revealing five new products the company will build on its 10 nm silicon fabrication process. These include the "Alder Lake" heterogenous desktop processor, "Tiger Lake" mobile processor, "Ice Lake" based Xeon Scalable enterprise processors, DG1 discrete GPU, and "Snow Ridge" 5G base-station SoC. Some, if not all of these products, will implement Intel's new 10 nm+ silicon fabrication node that is expected to go live within 2020.

"Alder Lake" is a desktop processor that implements Intel's new heterogenous x86 core design that's making its debut with "Lakefield." The chip features up to 8 larger "Willow Cove" or "Golden Cove" CPU cores, and up to 8 smaller "Tremont" or "Gracemont" cores. This 8-big/8-small combo lets the chip achieve TDP targets around 80 Watts. Next up is "Tiger Lake," Intel's next-generation mobile processor family succeeding "Ice Lake." This microarchitecture implements "Willow Cove" CPU cores in a homogeneous setup, alongside Xe architecture based integrated graphics. "Ice Lake-SP" is Intel's next enterprise architecture that places mature "Sunny Cove" CPU cores in extreme core-count dies. Lastly, there's "Snow Ridge," an SoC purpose built for 5G base-stations. Image quality notwithstanding, these slides don't appear particularly new, and it's likely that COVID-19 has destabilized the roadmap. For instance, "Alder Lake," and "Ice Lake-SP" are expected to be 10 nm++ chips, a node that doesn't go live before 2021.
Source: Black_fang XIII (Reddit)
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45 Comments on Intel 10nm Product Lineup for 2020 Revealed: Alder Lake and Ice Lake Xeons

#1
Vayra86
Here we go again...

10nm+... ++++

But, disclaimers galore. I suppose this is the shareholders' reality.
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#3
DeathtoGnomes
Vayra86
Here we go again...

10nm+... ++++

But, disclaimers galore. I suppose this is the shareholders' reality.
more like shareholders' wishful thinking, dont count on anything until it rolls off the line.
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#4
ppn
it is not exactly clear how heterogeneous design saves power, when that is not how it works. the maximum power can't be dependant on the small core with all cores active and producing work.
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#5
R0H1T
btarunr
Alder Lake
Could be a nice upgrade from anything Skylake (based) provided it's priced sensibly. Intel is not the top dog anymore & its prices should reflect the same!
ppn
it is not exactly clear how heterogeneous design saves power, when that is not how it works. the maximum power can't be dependent on the small core with all cores active and producing work.
Pretty sure the "big" cores can be turned off for "menial" tasks.
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#6
Dave65
And same time AMD rolls out it's 5nm line.
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#7
Vayra86
Dave65
And same time AMD rolls out it's 5nm line.
But Intel's 10nm is like TSMC's 7nm, no, wait, its probably better... and when they start adding pluses, you know AMD is doomed.
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#8
bug
ppn
it is not exactly clear how heterogeneous design saves power, when that is not how it works. the maximum power can't be dependant on the small core with all cores active and producing work.
Desktop don't typically run at full speed most of the time. Being able to idle properly saves power.
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#9
ERazer
I have a bag salt for sale.

but one can hope.
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#10
Flanker
I love how it says 10nm became available in 2019. It's not false, just... ugh
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#11
IceShroom
Alder uses Atom cores, so no AVX and FMA3 on those 2020 cpu??? :wtf: :wtf:
How many Denuvo embeded game will not launch on those 1000$ processor??
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#12
R0H1T
Alder lake is an implementation so it'll have one of the *coves & likely Gracemont IMO & we know nothing of Gracemont as of now, which is not to say that it'll come with AVX though don't be surprised if it does.
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#13
IceShroom
R0H1T
Alder lake is an implementation, it'll have one of the *coves & likely Gracemont & we know nothing of Gracemont as of now, which is not to say that it'll come with AVX though don't be surprised if it does.
Well the current one with Sunny Cove dont have AVX and FMA3. Only SSE4.2.
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#14
R0H1T
IceShroom
Well the current one with Sunny Cove dont have AVX and FMA3. Only SSE4.2.
You're talking about Tremont, Sunny Cove is "big" core aka Icelake. I know Intel & their stupid (core) gens & uarch o_O
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#15
Tomgang
Just don't expect to much hype. Intel properly describe that 14 NM is better and go for that a few years more:laugh:

More seriously it is about time for Intel to step things up. AMD is not so long away from there 7nm version 2 or zen 3 and Intel is stil baraly moving on to 10 nm yet.

Lets hope the good days of competition can return so consumers can get exciting new cpu releases to a good price. Until zen 2 cpu releases has hornestly been rather boring. Intel came with one quad-core after another for mainstream and not so many more cores for HEDT for a long time and amd first two zen arkitekture whas alright but nothing that got me excited, all throw zen 2 changed that. So now I hope whit Intel moving on to 10 and 7 nm and amd seems to really has gotten zen up and running for real now. I hope the coming years will bring more existing releases from both Intel and amd.

The future for CPU's looks great the coming future now I think.
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#16
TheGuruStud
I'm pretty sure I'll win the lottery before 10nm xeons that aren't dirt slow exist.
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#17
IceShroom
R0H1T
You're talking about Tremont, Sunny Cove is "big" core aka Icelake, I know Intel & their stupid (core) gens & uarch o_O
Intel's confusing Lakes. Current one is called Lakefield, has Tremont and Sunny Cove core which dont have AVX and FMA3. Alder likely will have same setup.
On ARM side in big.Little design both the Big and Small core have same Instruction set, but with different throughput.
See here : en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/microarchitectures/lakefield
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#18
yotano211
ERazer
I have a bag salt for sale.

but one can hope.
I'll trade you tp for the salt bag
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#19
chodaboy19
I don't think Intel shareholders are complaining that much ;)
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#20
notb
IceShroom
Alder uses Atom cores, so no AVX and FMA3 on those 2020 cpu??? :wtf: :wtf:
How many Denuvo embeded game will not launch on those 1000$ processor??
OMG OMG! It won't run games! Useless!

Sadly, it will. Sunny Cove supports everything Intel offers right now - including AVX-512.
Dave65
And same time AMD rolls out it's 5nm line.
AFAIK the official timeline is Zen4 on 5nm in 2022.
Intel says their 7nm (equivalent to TSMC 5nm) will come in 2021.

The only difference: TSMC5nm will most likely

You may think it's just one year, but Intel's 10nm goes mainstream one year after 7nm Zen2 and look at all the chaos it made on forums and in reviews. :D
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#21
Dazzm8
No Rocket Lake S this year then by the looks?
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#22
yeeeeman
Vayra86
Here we go again...

10nm+... ++++

But, disclaimers galore. I suppose this is the shareholders' reality.
Wtf is the problem with +++? All major manufacturers improve nodes over time.
IceShroom
Intel's confusing Lakes. Current one is called Lakefield, has Tremont and Sunny Cove core which dont have AVX and FMA3. Alder likely will have same setup.
On ARM side in big.Little design both the Big and Small core have same Instruction set, but with different throughput.
See here : en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/microarchitectures/lakefield
For what exactly do you need AVX in a mobile chip?
Lakefield uses the same idea as you said above, "both the Big and Small core (Sunny and Tremont) have same Instruction set, but with different throughput"
Dazzm8
No Rocket Lake S this year then by the looks?
Probably Rocket will be this year and Alder next year more likely.
Flanker
I love how it says 10nm became available in 2019. It's not false, just... ugh
Just what? 10nm was available with Ice Lake in 2019. That it wasn't a success is a different thing, but it brings improvements in power and density compared to 14nm.
Yields and frequency scaling wasn't great, but maybe it will be better with the next iteration in Tiger Lake.
Dave65
And same time AMD rolls out it's 5nm line.
Amd rolls 5nm line when TSMC rolls 5nm. 5nm oficially starts with Apple products this September, because Apple is helping TSMC both financially and technically to ramp a new process as fast as possible and for them to be the first to get silicon. AMD will have another generation in the shape of Zen 3 on 7nm, launching at the end of this year, and given the transition to a new node is not trivial, AMD will probably launch Zen 4 with 5nm at the end of 2021, with mass availability in 2022.
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#23
IceShroom
notb
OMG OMG! It won't run games! Useless!

Sadly, it will. Sunny Cove supports everything Intel offers right now - including AVX-512.
Read the linked article on my other post.
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#24
Bruno Vieira
Vayra86
But Intel's 10nm is like TSMC's 7nm, no, wait, its probably better... and when they start adding pluses, you know AMD is doomed.
10nm intel may be denser, but is just a lot worse. Look at the ryzen 4000 mobile 15units, they all smash the ice lake mobile units, all of them, graphics as well. The tiger lake cpus (10+) are sill losing to the amd apus according to the leaks so far.
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#25
ASOT
AMD FTW now is in the lead...sorry Intel :D

AMD covered all gaming,from consoles to pc,for everybody,from entry level to high lvl.

Also with the path AMD has created u can keep up with new cpu whitout change mobo,etc.

I will keep the i9 9900k but no more invest on intel platform.
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