Tuesday, April 13th 2021

AMD Launches Ryzen 5000G "Cezanne" APU Lineup for OEMs

AMD has today decided to launch the next generation of Accelerated Processing Units (APUs), now in form of the 5000G lineup codenamed Cezanne. The APUs are getting launched as OEM-exclusive products for now, which means that only manufacturers like Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc. can have access to them. AMD is set to announce these processors for wider masses, such as consumer DIYers, later this year. So you must be wondering what is new about the 5000G APUs. For starters, the new APUs feature AMD's improved Zen 3 core with a notable IPC boost over Zen 2 found in last generation 4000G APUs. When it comes to graphics, the new APUs feature anywhere from 6-8 GPU cores, based on the Vega architecture.

When it comes to the available models, AMD lists six SKUs, all differentiating in CPU/GPU core count, TDP, and frequency. There are three regular SKUs, with their power-efficient variants. The regular SKUs are AMD Ryzen 7 5700G, Ryzen 5 5600G, and Ryzen 3 5300G. They are normal SKUs that have a TDP of 65 Watts, meaning a higher base frequency needing a more adequate cooling solution. However, as there are regular SKUs, there are also power-efficient, TDP-constrained models present. Called the AMD Ryzen 7 5700GE, Ryzen 5 5600GE, and Ryzen 3 5300GE, these models bring the TDP down to 35 Watts and reduce base frequency by a couple of hundreds of MHz.
The listed models, which you can see specifications of, are for now OEM-exclusive products. For general consumers, the announcement should follow sometimes in the coming months, so you have to wait to get these processors for a bit longer. For more information, please visit AMD's website and find greater details about them.
Source: AMD
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39 Comments on AMD Launches Ryzen 5000G "Cezanne" APU Lineup for OEMs

#1
rainxh11
Another glorified VEGA APU generation again
another mediocre APU
where's the RDNA APU
and most importantly, AMD already making PS5 & Serie X APUs
why not compete in the PC Market with similar offering
and APU with powerful GPU, maybe 28 - 40 CUs variants?, 6-8 cores with integrated HBM2 or GDDR6
HBM2 would make more sense because it can fit in the CPU PCB, yet more expensive
i'm for one i would gladly pay 700 $ for an APU as powerful as the Series X in the PC, AMD is leaving a huge market
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#2
Gmr_Chick
Honest question to people who know: Isn't Vega getting a bit long in the tooth at this point? I mean, AMD's got Navi now, so why not implement it into an APU and put Vega to bed. I think a Navi-based APU would sell like hotcakes.
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#3
DeathtoGnomes
Gmr_Chick
Honest question to people who know: Isn't Vega getting a bit long in the tooth at this point? I mean, AMD's got Navi now, so why not implement it into an APU and put Vega to bed. I think a Navi-based APU would sell like hotcakes.
I agree, but these are built for the pre-built under $400 PC in a tin can market, and prolly a few elcheapo laptops too. I wonder if the vega runs cooler than the navi in this type of setup.
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#4
Liquid Cool
Great news as far as I'm concerned. Looking forward to nabbing my 5300 later this year...:).

Best,

Liquid Cool
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#5
HisDivineOrder
Gmr_Chick
Honest question to people who know: Isn't Vega getting a bit long in the tooth at this point? I mean, AMD's got Navi now, so why not implement it into an APU and put Vega to bed. I think a Navi-based APU would sell like hotcakes.
I think that's why the efficiency of the newer GPU's, especially with Infinity Cache, is probably important to their APU's future. If they haven't went to the earliest Navi, it's probably because it wasn't efficient enough. Imagine APU's with Infinity Cache usable by the CPU and GPU. Seems like it might be a good uplift. Probably why the latest rumors are talking about AMD adding GPU's to all their CPU's with the next iteration.
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#6
tabascosauz
Dang, double slap in the face in the span of just 2 days.

Hoped that the 5800 would finally come to retail as a proper 3700X successor? hahaha laughs in OEM only
Hoped that AMD would finally bring APUs back to retail? hahaha laughs in OEM only

Obviously, not surprised. Just disappointed. I guess AMD is betting on Rocket Lake's value pricing not being enough to overcome all the "waste of sand" rhetoric floating around.

But Dr.Cuttress did say that AMD promises to bring Cezanne to retail. Buuuuuuuuut I could have sworn AMD said the same thing about Renoir so.........
Gmr_Chick
Honest question to people who know: Isn't Vega getting a bit long in the tooth at this point? I mean, AMD's got Navi now, so why not implement it into an APU and put Vega to bed. I think a Navi-based APU would sell like hotcakes.
This generation is only about Zen 3 and using it to try and deny Intel the design wins. Renoir is good but anyone can still use the same old "Intel has better per-core and gaming performance" justification to relegate Renoir to the "budget" option, like Microsoft just did today with the new Surface Laptop. Swap out the cores for Zen 3, and Intel isn't afforded that excuse anymore.

The die is much bigger, but the BGA interface is the same, layout is exactly the same, just spaced out a bit to fit the bigger cores and doubled L3. Better to think of it as Renoir+, because that's exactly what it is.

Next up should be the Navi APUs but I don't think it's coming to AM4.

Oh, and the 5700G clocks Vega 8 lower at 2000MHz. The 4750G clocked 2100MHz.
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#7
Gmr_Chick
tabascosauz
Dang, double slap in the face in the span of just 2 days.

Hoped that the 5800 would finally come to retail as a proper 3700X successor? hahaha laughs in OEM only
Hoped that AMD would finally bring APUs back to retail? hahaha laughs in OEM only


Obviously, not surprised. Just disappointed. I guess AMD is betting on Rocket Lake's value pricing not being enough to overcome all the "waste of sand" rhetoric floating around. Well, time to head to eBay again.



This generation is only about Zen 3 and using it to try and deny Intel the design wins. Renoir is good but anyone can still use the same old "Intel has better per-core and gaming performance" justification to relegate Renoir to the "budget" option, like Microsoft just did today with the new Surface Laptop. Swap out the cores for Zen 3, and Intel isn't afforded that excuse anymore.

The die is much bigger, but the BGA interface is the same, layout is exactly the same, just spaced out a bit to fit the bigger cores and doubled L3. Better to think of it as Renoir+, because that's exactly what it is.

Next up should be the Navi APUs but I don't think it's coming to AM4.
Well the article says the 5000G series will be released for "the rest of us" later this year, so I guess it's not allll bad, right?
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#8
tabascosauz
Gmr_Chick
Well the article says the 5000G series will be released for "the rest of us" later this year, so I guess it's not allll bad, right?
damn, I didn't get my ninja edit in fast enough lol

When AM4 Renoir launched as OEM-only, Ian said in his article that "AMD says that they are planning a consumer-grade release of APUs 'soon'", in the form of a Zen2 APU. That was in July 2020. That launch never happened, and now Ian is saying again that AMD promises to bring the APUs to retail "later". I think I see a pattern here lol

And Renoir didn't have supply issues. Cezanne dropped straight into the same N7 hot tub that Matisse (still in production), Vermeer, RX6000, and consoles were already chilling in, and that's without mentioning that desktop Cezanne is pretty much an afterthought compared to mobile Cezanne in importance.
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#9
DAWMan
Finally, a CPU to replace my i7’s with no additional latency from excess cores.
Not for everyone but perfect for me.

Thanks for falling down Intel.
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#10
watzupken
Gmr_Chick
Well the article says the 5000G series will be released for "the rest of us" later this year, so I guess it's not allll bad, right?
The question is whether you will still want to buy it later in the year where its the tail end of the Zen 3 cycle and you likely are still going to pay MSRP when prices should be in decline (assuming the current supply/ demand issue is better)? And "later this year" is very vague and could be as late as Nov/ Dec.
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#11
Tomorrow
rainxh11
Another glorified VEGA APU generation again
another mediocre APU
where's the RDNA APU
and most importantly, AMD already making PS5 & Serie X APUs
why not compete in the PC Market with similar offering
and APU with powerful GPU, maybe 28 - 40 CUs variants?, 6-8 cores with integrated HBM2 or GDDR6
HBM2 would make more sense because it can fit in the CPU PCB, yet more expensive
i'm for one i would gladly pay 700 $ for an APU as powerful as the Series X in the PC, AMD is leaving a huge market
How is it mediocre when it's the fastest APU ever produced? CPU performance on par with 5800X and GPU performance still not matched by Intel.
They dont have enough capacity to bring PS5/XSX like APU to the market. Besides they would have to reengineer those as they are custom SOC's. Im pretty surre Sony and MS contracts prohibit redistribution outside PS5/XSX.
AMD may make a BIG APU but not before AM5. Currently it would be bandwidth starved as is. DDR5 will help with that on AM5 without the need for expensive on die HBM. Not to mention that if AMD did decide to put HBM on die it would have to be 8GB minimum considering the requirements of todays games.
Gmr_Chick
Honest question to people who know: Isn't Vega getting a bit long in the tooth at this point? I mean, AMD's got Navi now, so why not implement it into an APU and put Vega to bed. I think a Navi-based APU would sell like hotcakes.
This is the last one. Next one is called Rembrandt and will include Navi 2 but its a 2022 release but im unsure if its AM4 or AM5. Im guessing AM5. At this point AMD has extracted all they can from Vega. The fact that it runs 100Mhz slower than Vega on Renoir is proof of that.
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#12
TheDeeGee
Why only OEM, is AMD tone deaf or something?
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#13
R0H1T
tabascosauz
Next up should be the Navi APUs but I don't think it's coming to AM4.
Good chance for that if the rumored "6nm" refreshes show up!
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#14
Legacy-ZA
Apparently, they will only support PCIe 3.0? Sad. :banghead:
TheDeeGee
Why only OEM, is AMD tone deaf or something?
Seems to be a problem with manufacturers these days, they became to big.
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#15
Tomorrow
Legacy-ZA
Apparently, they will only support PCIe 3.0? Sad. :banghead:
Yep. Tho thankfully its not a major problem yet as GPU's take little advantage of 4.0 and while SSD's do the perceived speed difference is still small due to software block. I went from 500MB/s SATA to 7GB/s NVMe and aside from faster searches on disk and (rare for me) sequential transfers i could be fooled into thinking that it's not any faster.
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#16
R0H1T
For application where PCIe 4.0 is a necessity you're better off going with TR or 5900/5950x any way. Not too many applications which make good use of 8 cores & need the best SSDs money can buy!
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#17
tabascosauz
Legacy-ZA
Apparently, they will only support PCIe 3.0? Sad. :banghead:

Seems to be a problem with manufacturers these days, they became to big.
None of the I/O has changed from Renoir, so yeah. But this is still a desktop APU, so you still get 20 free lanes: 3.0 x16 slot for a GPU + 3.0 x4 for your NVMe. It's a shame that mobile Renoir and Cezanne, literally the same silicon on a different package, are still limited to a 3.0 x8 link for the GPU.

If anything it seems a little backwards. Short of not being to buy any other chiplet CPU, you shouldn't ever need the full 16 lanes on desktop, since you'll be using iGPU or at most a low power card if you're an OCer looking to max out your Infinity Fabric. But the mobile chips are the ones that will be paired with high end RTX 30 mobile, seems like they should get the full bus if anything.
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#18
R0H1T
tabascosauz
are still limited to a 3.0 x8 link for the GPU.
Cézanne has 16x GPU link.
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#19
IceShroom
rainxh11
Another glorified VEGA APU generation again
another mediocre APU
where's the RDNA APU
and most importantly, AMD already making PS5 & Serie X APUs
why not compete in the PC Market with similar offering
and APU with powerful GPU, maybe 28 - 40 CUs variants?, 6-8 cores with integrated HBM2 or GDDR6
HBM2 would make more sense because it can fit in the CPU PCB, yet more expensive
i'm for one i would gladly pay 700 $ for an APU as powerful as the Series X in the PC, AMD is leaving a huge market
Big iGPU in APU is waste, as most of these will paired with GT 710/ GT 1030 anyaway.
There is no market for Big APU like the one used in Xbox and PS. Both XBox One series and PS4 series sold more than 150Million. And new PS5 series and XBox Series X and S already sold more than 10Million+. Say AMD makes a 8 Core + 20-24 CU APU, how many AMD will be able to sell? My calculation tells only few thousand. Reason on Nvidia GPU is paired with it. If you want to buy big AMD APU, then let AMD know that you by not paring AMD APU with GT 1030/GT 710 and not buy laptop with APU+Nvidia GPU. Apple knew they can sell their ARM+IMG based M1 SoC to their customer, as a Apple customer got M1 SoC. If AMD knows they can sell their big APU 5-10Million+ with good margin AMD will make a big APU.
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#20
R0H1T
IceShroom
There is no market for Big APU like the one used in Xbox and PS.
Well there is a market for them but big APU will cost bigly & since the die's gonna be huge there won't be much volume either, basically until we get HBM2/3 on package they're never gonna be viable for the mainstream.
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#21
tabascosauz
R0H1T
Cézanne has 16x GPU link.
From the perspective of the silicon, maybe. In practice, all the mobile GPUs only ever get x8 from Renoir and Cezanne. Something to do with power.
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#22
IceShroom
R0H1T
Well there is a market for them but big APU will cost bigly & since the die's gonna be huge there won't be much volume either, basically until we get HBM2/3 on package they're never gonna be viable for the mainstream.
128 MB Infinity Cache + 128bit LPDDR4X-4267/LPDDR5-4800 will be suffficient for a 20-24CU GPU. AMD can reduce die size by implementing Console like IO design, instead of 4 Display engine 2, only 8-12 PCI-e lanes instead of 24 like current Mobile/Desktop ones. XBox series S APU has 8 Core + 20 CU and die size is only around 200mm2. AMD sold 7nm 252mm2 die based GPU for $330, so a high volume APU should be cheaper.
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#23
R0H1T
There's no evidence that "infinity cache" (fancy word for L3?) will work for an APU, as yet, not to mention LPDDR5 or LPDDR5x won't come close to the bandwidth a single HBM stack can provide.
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#24
B-Real
rainxh11
Another glorified VEGA APU generation again
another mediocre APU
where's the RDNA APU
and most importantly, AMD already making PS5 & Serie X APUs
why not compete in the PC Market with similar offering
and APU with powerful GPU, maybe 28 - 40 CUs variants?, 6-8 cores with integrated HBM2 or GDDR6
HBM2 would make more sense because it can fit in the CPU PCB, yet more expensive
i'm for one i would gladly pay 700 $ for an APU as powerful as the Series X in the PC, AMD is leaving a huge market
There were news about the upcoming APUs: Zen 3+ APUs: they will have RDNA2 graphics. And before, Van Gogh APUs (Zen 2) also come with RDNA2.

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#25
Valantar
rainxh11
Another glorified VEGA APU generation again
another mediocre APU
where's the RDNA APU
and most importantly, AMD already making PS5 & Serie X APUs
why not compete in the PC Market with similar offering
and APU with powerful GPU, maybe 28 - 40 CUs variants?, 6-8 cores with integrated HBM2 or GDDR6
HBM2 would make more sense because it can fit in the CPU PCB, yet more expensive
i'm for one i would gladly pay 700 $ for an APU as powerful as the Series X in the PC, AMD is leaving a huge market
Because there isn't a single motherboard on the market that would be able to power such an APU. And how on earth would they fit a huge APU + HBM2 or GDDR6 onto the AM4 package? Or are you asking for a socket SP3 APU? 'Cause those boards don't have video outputs.

I completely agree that it's beyond time for AMD to get RDNA(2) APUs out there. But these are still really good APUs, and graphics performance might not be better than Renoir, but it's still fine. I would absolutely love a ~20CU RDNA2 APU (which should be feasible in AM4 and with current motherboards), but it's highly doubtful that will happen due to the sheer die size needed. MCM APUs are our best hope for that kind of performance.
tabascosauz
But Dr.Cuttress did say that AMD promises to bring Cezanne to retail. Buuuuuuuuut I could have sworn AMD said the same thing about Renoir so.........
I seem to remember differently, as I seem to remember a conspicuous absence of any meniton of retail availability for Renoir.
IceShroom
Big iGPU in APU is waste, as most of these will paired with GT 710/ GT 1030 anyaway.
Uh, what? Why? In what world? The iGPU in this will blow the pants off any GT 710, and will likely beat the 1030 in most scenarios too.
R0H1T
There's no evidence that "infinity cache" (fancy word for L3?) will work for an APU, as yet, not to mention LPDDR5 or LPDDR5x won't come close to the bandwidth a single HBM stack can provide.
IC in an APU wouldn't be L3, as L3 is CPU-only. IC would either be a system-wide LLC (whether that acts as L3 or L4 for the CPU depends on whether the CPU has a discrete L3 + whether the IC is inclusive or is bypassed for CPU-only operations) or a GPU-only LLC/Lwhatever (L1/L2/L3/etc. distinctions for GPUs are a bit problematic in transferring CPU terminology 1:1 to a very different architecture).

As for whether it would work, of course it would. The much more relevant question is whether it would be feasible in a sufficient size without ballooning APU die size. Large cahces take up a lot of space.
B-Real
There were news about the upcoming APUs: Zen 3+ APUs: they will have RDNA2 graphics. And before, Van Gogh APUs (Zen 2) also come with RDNA2.


Looks reasonable to me. RDNA2 APUs before DDR5/LPDDR5 is likely to be a bit of a whiff. Makes sense in the low-power segments where absolute performance matters less and efficiency matters more, as with Van Gogh. Of course they could no doubt make a faster (LP)DDR4 APU with RDNA2 than Vega, but how much faster would be the question. I'll be happy to wait another year to get a nice RDNA2 APU laptop, and thankfully I went grey-market Renoir for my HTPC :D
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