It's clear that the RX 9000 series will be prioritized after this. The reason is simple: it supports FP8, and this can be further enhanced graphically than the INT8 of the RX 7000 and RX 6000 series.

Not to mention that we don't know if the rest of FSR Redstone technologies will reach all RX 7000/Rx 6000 GPUs. There's only talk of the FSR upscaler (FSR 4.1), but not of the AI-powered FPS multiplier. Nor of ray regeneration.

And of Radian cache when it's implemented in a game.

evernessinceLord have mercy on the people that have to buy a PC from you, attitude for no reason. Building PCs isn't my profession, it's something I do for friends and family.

So building PCs is your hobby and your profession is what exactly? Coming to tech forums to sulk, weep or complain?

evernessinceGood for you that you are fine doing entry level work.

I'm an AE for Dell, responsible for 800+ SMB accounts in LATAM's biggest market. The bulk of my sales come from the ISG portfolio, not client. But thanks for the kind words, now let me go back to my entry level work.

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Hey, that's great news. A bit late, but better late than never. They should gain significant performance because games look really good even with Performance profile using FSR 4.1.

About time... Timed release so FSR works with Desktops CPUs, Laptop APUs, Steam machine, and handhelds. I wonder if the INT8 "leak" and the resulting Optiscaler users have been beta testing this backward compatibility?

EmmanuelMarIt's clear that the RX 9000 series will be prioritized after this. The reason is simple: it supports FP8, and this can be further enhanced graphically than the INT8 of the RX 7000 and RX 6000 series.

Not to mention that we don't know if the rest of FSR Redstone technologies will reach all RX 7000/Rx 6000 GPUs. There's only talk of the FSR upscaler (FSR 4.1), but not of the AI-powered FPS multiplier. Nor of ray regeneration.

And of Radian cache when it's implemented in a game.

I'm pretty positive that people who have rdna3 card atm don't truly care that much about raytracing or AI multipliers. They are still pretty niche gimmick in bigger picture what comes to gaming.

Jack Huynh needs to be fired.

WindysonWho blames Sony ？

I’m betting this is essentially PSSR. Probably AMD didn’t do shit and just packaged up Sony tech.

ThomasKThis whining has to stop

Have you looked in the mirror recently??

EmmanuelMarIt's clear that the RX 9000 series will be prioritized after this. The reason is simple: it supports FP8, and this can be further enhanced graphically than the INT8 of the RX 7000 and RX 6000 series.

Not to mention that we don't know if the rest of FSR Redstone technologies will reach all RX 7000/Rx 6000 GPUs. There's only talk of the FSR upscaler (FSR 4.1), but not of the AI-powered FPS multiplier. Nor of ray regeneration.

And of Radian cache when it's implemented in a game.

I don't think this is a big issue though. The FSR 4 situation was annoying because the FSR 4 INT8 was leaked and it was way better than FSR 3. And instead of making it oficial at once, they just ignored it for several months and left the community relying on mods.

As for AI frame gen, ray regeneration and radiance caching, I don't know if RDNA3 has the the instructions to support them, and no one knows if AMD has any version of these features that runs on RDNA3, so it's not the same situation, I don't even know if it's possible to backport these things. And even if it was, I don't think these features were as crucial as the upscaler. FSR and XeSS frame gen are acceptable, RT was never a big selling point for RDNA3, and radiance cache is nowhere to be seen yet. Among all these features, I believe upscaling was way more popular among RX 7000 owners.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear these news. The RX 7600 has just become much more compelling in the budget segment. I wonder if Xbox can benefit from this too.

I guess they didn't have a choice with the Steam Machine being just around the corner. Good news!

Most game not support it so whatever..

Tek-CheckIf I told a friend, that I was working on something, and they constantly nudged me about it, they would not be my friend anymore. Pretty simple.

-Let's all stop with the parasocial relationships and multi-national investor owned corpos. They're not our friends, we're not their friends, and they pay a lot of people a lot of money to clearly and concisely communicate their products and plans to the public.

Tek-CheckNot really. Tech media can do that easily. Instead, many of those media also jumped on the shouting bandwagon because... it was fashionable and easy to be loud about it, instead of engaging in reporting more frequently on more serious matters, such as devastating effects of data center build up affecting health and livelihoods of real people and communities. Real tech and investigative journalism is hard. It requires time, effort, travel and dedication. Shouting about lack of updates on FSR4 does not require any of that.

- Look, I get it, you feel some kind of emotional bond with AMD and you feel the need to run interference for them. When you're really into a hobby, its easy to build your personality around the brands and tribes in the space, so no judgement there.

But by any objective measure AMD has done an absolute dogshit job communicating their intentions in a market where AMD cannot afford to make simple unforced errors and has to execute at 110% to have a prayer keeping up with the Nvidia juggernaut. Tech Media will report what AMD says, and they kept saying "no comment". It isn't the tech media's job to run interference for AMD when AMD could have easily provided a simple "hang tight, we're working on it" response.

And before I'm accused of being some NV fanboy or something, I'm running two full AMD systems right now that I'm broadly very happy with, but I can approach this issue with open eyes and a critical mind.

vacsatiMost game not support it so whatever..

There's always something to be unhappy about, I guess.

I'm happy for RX 7000/6000 owners.

Dr. DroThat's excellent news. It just shouldn't have happened after a year of the community being angry at AMD over this...

"community being angry" is a problem of that community's anger management, not AMD.

Tek-Check"community being angry" is a problem of that community's anger management, not AMD.

I can't recall the community being angry. However, I can 100% recall a handful of Nvidia owners being angry.

GodisanAtheistLook, I get it, you feel some kind of emotional bond with AMD and you feel the need to run interference for them. When you're really into a hobby, its easy to build your personality around the brands and tribes in the space, so no judgement there.

Emotional bond? Hahaha! Insightful armchair psychology.

GodisanAtheistthey pay a lot of people a lot of money to clearly and concisely communicate their products and plans to the public.

Don't be naive, as you never know what's happening behind the curtain and why certain things cannot be said more explicitly at certain time periods. We are just doing a guess work here as to why they were silent, until earlier today.

GodisanAtheistBut by any objective measure AMD has done an absolute dogshit job communicating their intentions in a market where AMD cannot afford to make simple unforced errors and has to execute at 110% to have a prayer keeping up with the Nvidia juggernaut.

Not really. They had nothing specific to communicate, until today. AMD is a small player in dGPU market and they do not prioritize this segment in recent years, as their focus is sharp on CPUs and data center, where the money is. There is no money in client GPU during RAMageddon period and sales of several DIY PC components are literally collapsing before our eyes. Even higher tier desktop CPUs and GPUs are cheaper than some 64GB RAM sticks. Who would have ever thought.

People can bark on AMD's GPU division communication skills as much as they want. I have never thought that those skills were stellar in the first place, but you never asked me about it. You just made assumptions. If I disagree with you or with others on a specific matter, why would you default to thinking about me having an "emotional bond"? Utter nonsense. Accept that there are several possible perspectives and view points to consider. Ask for more information, to find out, to understand better why someone thinks the way they are, even if you disagree. Don't box them into convenient cathegories that do not require you to stretch your mind and practice giving others a benefit of a doubt.

GodisanAtheistAMD could have easily provided a simple "hang tight, we're working on it" response.

I literally gave you the link to an article in previous posts.

GodisanAtheistAnd before I'm accused of being some NV fanboy or something, I'm running two full AMD systems right now that I'm broadly very happy with, but I can approach this issue with open eyes and a critical mind.

You don't need to put any qualifiers. I don't really care what kind of systems people run at home or at work. Irrelevant for this matter. Drinking your favoutire brand of milk every day does not make you more or less critical or blinkered.

Fantastic news! if fairly late and mishandled imo, but nonetheless amazing for RDNA2-3.5 owners, users, and prospective buyers of those products and even future products. I'm glad you listened to us all AMD, truly.

It's however disappointing that in the wake of this great news that community pressure has certainly aided in coming to fruition, some still have nothing better to comment about than petty us vs. them shenanigans, assumptions of motive, and still somehow attempt to gatekeep who is allowed an opinion on the subject based on irrelevant circumstances and logical fallacies. I am glad to see that pointed out, and rejected.

AusWolfI can't recall the community being angry. However, I can 100% recall a handful of Nvidia owners being angry.

Exactly. Another question to ask is who is "the community"? After all, we all know that AMD has a small market share in desktop GPUs, so who exactly was "angry" and why, it's a thing to imagine. Perhaps ex-owners who could not wait and forced themselves to pay more to buy Nvidia cards? Are they being bitter about spending money to get what they wanted? Nobody really knows.

EmmanuelMarNot to mention that we don't know if the rest of FSR Redstone technologies will reach all RX 7000/Rx 6000 GPUs. There's only talk of the FSR upscaler (FSR 4.1), but not of the AI-powered FPS multiplier. Nor of ray regeneration.

There are limited number of things that can work well on INT8, as there is no ML on older cards. Still, bringing FSR 4.1 finally to those cards is good news for those who need it.

Hilux SSRGI wonder if the INT8 "leak" and the resulting Optiscaler users have been beta testing this backward compatibility?

Only partially. We knew that FSR4 on INT8 was hit and miss from game to game. ComputerBase and others tested it. This meant that AMD folks needed to spend a lot of time to test it and fine tune based of feedback from hundreds of games to make it broadly usable without odd performance penalties in popular titles that would certainly have attracted a lot of public criticism ("community anger" is the thing...) had they released it too early.

SkimbaI'm pretty positive that people who have rdna3 card atm don't truly care that much about raytracing or AI multipliers. They are still pretty niche gimmick in bigger picture what comes to gaming.

It depends which cards people have and which games they play. Entry cards do often need upscaling to compensate for weaker hardware. I have 7900XTX and I do not need it. However, if I was a fan of a specific game hammering even high-end GPU, then decent upscaling would help there too.

AusWolfI guess they didn't have a choice with the Steam Machine being just around the corner. Good news!

Steam Machine has moved a few things around, including upcoming support for HDMI 2.1 FRL signal at 48 Gbps in Linux, which is something that HDMI Forum were ferociously opposing to being implemented in AMD open source drivers, for years...

I read this topic on my tablet without login and everyone who is ignored.

I buy hardware with the bundled software. These days amd quality do not justify prices over 250€ for any amd consumer graphic card.

I would not say complaining. It is more stating facts.

i used coding libraries which allowed mathematics on 8 bit integer ucontrollers. these are special libraries. so the argument, from the embedded system viewpoint, not from the windows graphical userinterface bloatware developer standpoint is, you do not need floating point in hardware.

Amd should not expect customers who had several amd cards to buy another amd graphic card when the older graphic card barely got any driver updates, operating system support or bug fixes.

it shall not matter if a nvidia or intel graphic card owner writes a statement about amd graphic cards.

mathematics is quite often an approximation. u search for a way or model to come closer to the use case you need. regardless if it is mathematics, coding or other tasks.

you need first the software so games can implement it. it is amd fault to not offer earlier proper software.

just to have the excuse of 8bit floating point or integer numbers is really LOL from the embeddes sytem viewpoint. some ucontroller in todays world, which you use and do not even see only have Bytes of sram, not kilobytes.

Tek-CheckEmotional bond? Hahaha! Insightful armchair psychology.

Don't be naive, as you never know what's happening behind the curtain and why certain things cannot be said more explicitly at certain time periods. We are just doing a guess work here as to why they were silent, until earlier today.

Not really. They had nothing specific to communicate, until today. AMD is a small player in dGPU market and they do not prioritize this segment in recent years, as their focus is sharp on CPUs and data center, where the money is. There is no money in client GPU during RAMageddon period and sales of several DIY PC components are literally collapsing before our eyes. Even higher tier desktop CPUs and GPUs are cheaper than some 64GB RAM sticks. Who would have ever thought.

People can bark on AMD's GPU division communication skills as much as they want. I have never thought that those skills were stellar in the first place, but you never asked me about it. You just made assumptions. If I disagree with you or with others on a specific matter, why would you default to thinking about me having an "emotional bond"? Utter nonsense. Accept that there are several possible perspectives and view points to consider. Ask for more information, to find out, to understand better why someone thinks the way they are, even if you disagree. Don't box them into convenient cathegories that do not require you to stretch your mind and practice giving others a benefit of a doubt.

I literally gave you the link to an article in previous posts.

You don't need to put any qualifiers. I don't really care what kind of systems people run at home or at work. Irrelevant for this matter. Drinking your favoutire brand of milk every day does not make you more or less critical or blinkered.

-Hey if you want to sacrifice your back carrying water for AMD, go right ahead 👍

ThomasKHow's that affecting your 4090 then? Or does auntie nessy or your imaginary cousin own a RX 6000/7000?

This whining has to stop. I mean, get a grip, get a life and most importantly: get over it.

We're still waiting for you to address your hypocrisy and delete all your posts whining about nVidia drivers, DLSS, and intel's releases. Perhaps you should take your own advice about whining and getting a life?

ThomasK

Just not powering good enough drivers, I guess. 2 hotfixes in a month? Not even Amd is this shitty with its vibecoding.

ThomasKLots of people pulling the crystal ball trick in regards to whatever Amd will offer with zen 6 on am5 versus what is already out for Intel on both of its dead-end platforms.


Apparently "connectivity" is an excuse to switch platforms every generation. Now imagine if the guy got to keep his Z790 MB for Nova Lake.

On that subject and in the same "guessing realm": videocardz.com/newz/intel-says-it-is-listening-on-socket-lifespan-lga-1954-for-nova-lake-and-beyond

wccftech.com/intel-offer-amd-like-desktop-socket-longetivity-supporting-multiple-cpu-generations/

Anyway, I'm just glad I don't read/see the opinions of some loud, attention-grabbing kiddos anymore.

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ThomasKThat's rich coming from someone who only has brands listed on the system specs.

Anyway, it's a public poll and since the AI slop tech isn't out yet, you can't use it either.

Those in glass houses should not throw stones.

Tek-CheckIf I told a friend, that I was working on something, and they constantly nudged me about it, they would not be my friend anymore. Pretty simple.

This isnt your friend asking about a project. This is a multi billion dollar corpo treating their customers like morons, in a free market where their consumers can choose to jump ship, which will end very badly for them.

Tek-CheckNot really. Tech media can do that easily. Instead, many of those media also jumped on the shouting bandwagon because... it was fashionable and easy to be loud about it, instead of engaging in reporting more frequently on more serious matters, such as devastating effects of data center build up affecting health and livelihoods of real people and communities. Real tech and investigative journalism is hard. It requires time, effort, travel and dedication. Shouting about lack of updates on FSR4 does not require any of that.

Tech media can do BOTH, posts online are not a limited resource. But it's easier to cry about "muh journalists" then it is to admit AMD screwed up royally and is suffering the consequences of their actions.

Many of the journalists in this space are hardware enthusiasts, and the lack of proper support pissed a LOT of them off, just like it pissed off their consumers.

It looks like AMD's failure to commit to supporting FSR 4 on RDNA 3 cards was causing game developers to not support FSR 4 or at least consider supporting it low priority as seen in the following video:
After the announcement of official FSR 4.1 support on RDNA 2 and 3, game developers are changing their priorities to make FSR 4.1 support in their games a high priority task.

jnv11It looks like AMD's failure to commit to supporting FSR 4 on RDNA 3 cards was causing game developers to not support FSR 4 or at least consider supporting it low priority as seen in the following video:

After the announcement of official FSR 4.1 support on RDNA 2 and 3, game developers are changing their priorities to make FSR 4.1 support in their games a high priority task.

Maybe Valve has been nudging them as well because it will be a huge boon for the Steam Machine and Steam Deck.

ApocalypseeThat's a surprise to be honest I thought they would never do this officially. Even extending to RDNA 2 no less.

Well, I wasn't, considering GFX11 APUs will continue to be supported (RDNA 3.5) and even with brand new silicons next year (RDNA 4m). They had to release the int8 version regardless, by 2027.

GodisanAtheist-Hey if you want to sacrifice your back carrying water for AMD, go right ahead 👍

Oh please... let's not be melodramatic like in Brazilian soap operas. It's enough if you ask someone to explain their point of view.

TheinsanegamerNThis isnt your friend asking about a project. This is a multi billion dollar corpo treating their customers like morons, in a free market where their consumers can choose to jump ship, which will end very badly for them.

I am ok with this idea. Whoever wishes to jump is absolutely free to do it. AMD would need to face whatever consequences of their decisions.

TheinsanegamerNTech media can do BOTH, posts online are not a limited resource. But it's easier to cry about "muh journalists" then it is to admit AMD screwed up royally and is suffering the consequences of their actions.

Tech media can do both, I agree, but I am yet to see them doing it to the same extent. As I said, it's far, far easier to publish every now and then that AMD is bad for delaying FSR4 for older cards than it is to do a similarly frequent and engaged reporting on data centers literally destroying real local communities across states and countries. In the case of data centers, tech media would need to go after far bigger players than AMD more loudly and frequently. I am yet to see more serious reporting that Meta, Google, Microsoft, Open AI, Elon, Nvidia and others are contributing to screwing up royally the quality of life of thousands of local residents and their livelihoods, triggering growing numbers of built-up bans, judicial reviews and backlash from residents.

A rare exemption is a great job on this done by GamersNexus and TechReport outlets, but tech media would need to be more vocal and inquisitive about real, negative impact of tech companies on real daily life of people.

TheinsanegamerNMany of the journalists in this space are hardware enthusiasts, and the lack of proper support pissed a LOT of them off, just like it pissed off their consumers.

I accept that people felt disappointed and are free to voice it.