Tuesday, March 12th 2019

Intel to Refresh its LGA2066 HEDT Platform This Summer?

Intel is rumored to refresh its high-end desktop (HEDT) platforms this Summer with new products based on the "Cascade Lake" microarchitecture. Intel now has two HEDT platforms, LGA2066 and LGA3647. The new "Cascade Lake-X" silicon will target the LGA2066 platform, and could see the light of the day by June, on the sidelines of Computex 2019. A higher core-count model with 6-channel memory, will be launched for the LGA3647 socket as early as April. So if you've very recently fronted $3,000 on a Xeon W-3175X, here's a bucket of remorse. Both chips will be built on existing 14 nm process, and will bring innovations such as Optane Persistent Memory support, Intel Deep Learning Boost (DLBOOST) extensions with VNNI instruction-set, and hardware mitigation against more variants of "Meltdown" and "Spectre."

Elsewhere in the industry, and sticking with Intel, we've known since November 2018 of the existence of "Comet Lake," which is a 10-core silicon for the LGA1151 platform, and which is yet another "Skylake" derivative built on existing 14 nm process. This chip is real, and will be Intel's last line of defense against AMD's first 7 nm "Zen 2" socket AM4 processors, with core-counts of 12-16.
Sources: momomo_us (Twitter), ChipHell
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44 Comments on Intel to Refresh its LGA2066 HEDT Platform This Summer?

#2
R0H1T
Release the kraken, probably 9999EXE:fear:
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#3
steve360
How long until we see Lake Lake on the 14nm+++plus++plus+doubleplus+++ fab?
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#4
Mats
I wonder what comes after 9900K in terms of model numbers, 9950K is too similar for a 10 core.

It makes sense to start fresh when (if :D) Ice Lake shows up. Will they drop Core i3/5/7? Feels kind of outdated, it's well recognized though.
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#5
Tomgang
Yawn still 14 NM:fear:

Looks like ill have to wait to 2020 for a lower nm part from intel. X58 gonna survive for 2019 it seems as well.
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#6
las
Tomgang said:
Yawn still 14 NM:fear:

Looks like ill have to wait to 2020 for a lower nm part from intel. X58 gonna survive for 2019 it seems as well.
Yawning about 14nm while using a 9+ year old 32nm CPU? :laugh:
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#7
Ferrum Master
las said:
Yawning about 14nm while using a 9+ year old 32nm CPU? :laugh:
Lulz... bullseye :nutkick:
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#8
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
las said:
Yawning about 14nm while using a 9+ year old 32nm CPU? :laugh:
Not all of us upgrade every generation or two. If I'm going to dump another ~2k USD into my machine, I'd better be happier with what I'm getting than what I have now and it's not like I'm dissatisfied with my 3930k. So, I understand what @Tomgang is saying. I need a good reason to upgrade, not just an itch.
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#9
las
Aquinus said:
Not all of us upgrade every generation or two. If I'm going to dump another ~2k USD into my machine, I'd better be happier with what I'm getting than what I have now and it's not like I'm dissatisfied with my 3930k. So, I understand what @Tomgang is saying. I need a good reason to upgrade, not just an itch.
Neither do I but there's more to CPU speed than nanometers, cores and clockspeed. And features supported in general on the platform.
An almost 10 year old 6 core is going to be demolished in tons of workloads by newer chips.

I don't get people that are "satisfied" with old tech, yet waits and waits for the brand new and shiny stuff. If you really need this, how can you be satisfied with what you got.
Instead of splashing 2K every 8-10 year, I'd rather splash 1K every 4-5 years.
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#10
Tomgang
las said:
Yawning about 14nm while using a 9+ year old 32nm CPU? :laugh:
Well. I have made up my mind, that i will wait to intel and amd have released there lower nm parts and i exspected intel to release there 10 or 7 nm this year. I dont want 14 nm because that is pretty old tech now. I mean there first 14 nm came out in 2014/2015 and they are still on 14 nm in 2019. I cant make my self buy this old based tech.
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#11
las
Tomgang said:
Well. I have made up my mind, that i will wait to intel and amd have released there lower nm parts and i exspected intel to release there 10 or 7 nm this year. I dont want 14 nm because that is pretty old tech now. I mean there first 14 nm came out in 2014/2015 and they are still on 14 nm in 2019. I cant make my self buy this old based tech.
Nanometer has nothing to do with the actual tech and architecture tho.
32nm is what I'd consider as seriously outdated at this point, so I just found it funny that you consider 14nm as old tech.
It's not like we're talking a brand new arch when Intel actually puts out something on 10nm or better. It will be a shrink of existing arch. So you'll see better efficiency and maybe higher clocks. Nothing groundbreaking with insane IPC uplift.

FYI Intel's refined 14nm node is more advanced than GloFo 12nm
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#12
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
las said:
Neither do I but there's more to CPU speed than nanometers, cores and clockspeed. And features supported in general on the platform.
An almost 10 year old 6 core is going to be demolished in tons of workloads by newer chips.

I don't get people that are "satisfied" with old tech, yet waits and waits for the brand new and shiny stuff. If you really need this, how can you be satisfied with what you got.
Instead of splashing 2K every 8-10 year, I'd rather splash 1K every 4-5 years.
If it does everything I need it to do and what I use runs good enough, why should I care? Is it the fastest? No, but why would I care if it does what I need it to do? The motivation to upgrade (for me,) is driven by necessity. You know what's cheaper than upgrading at set intervals? Upgrading when there is a need and not just an itch.
las said:
FYI Intel's refined 14nm node is more advanced than GloFo 12nm
Does that suddenly make it new again?
las said:
32nm is what I'd consider as seriously outdated at this point, so I just found it funny that you consider 14nm as old tech.
There is a difference between owning something that became old and buying something that is old.
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#13
las
Aquinus said:
If it does everything I need it to do and what I use runs good enough, why should I care? Is it the fastest? No, but why would I care if it does what I need it to do? The motivation to upgrade (for me,) is driven by necessity. You know what's cheaper than upgrading at set intervals? Upgrading when there is a need and not just an itch.

Does that suddenly make it new again?

There is a difference between owning something that became old and buying something that is old.
If you're fine with extremely old tech, then why call much newer tech for old :kookoo: For you it's new and shiny.
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Solaris17
Dainty Moderator
las said:
If you're fine with extremely old tech, then why call much newer tech for old :kookoo: For you it's new and shiny.
Ah I see you have never owned HDET.
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las
Solaris17 said:
Ah I see you have never owned HDET.
Several times.. I just don't see the point in going HEDT anymore. Node shrinks and new arch's comes to consumer line first. Pointless for me as I don't need extra PCI-E lanes and I prefer high clockspeeds over more cores with slower clockspeed.

9900K is already eating into HEDT territory and there's many "HEDT" CPU's that are worse.
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#16
Mats
las said:
It's not like we're talking a brand new arch when Intel actually puts out something on 10nm or better. It will be a shrink of existing arch.
Comet Lake, yes, but Ice Lake is supposed to be the biggest change since Bloomfield in 2008, right?
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#17
juiseman
10-4, still rocking X79 and X58 Xeon's here...

1 mac pro 4,1 (flashed to 5,1) 1x x5680
1 x79 E5-2690v2 (10 core)
1 x79 E5-2667v2 (8 core) PCI-E m.2 NVME
1 79x E5-1607v2
2x 79 HP Z420's E5-2667v1 and E5-2650v1
1x HP Z400 x5675

they all work great; 2 best rigs handle more than 2x-3x the workload
of the i7's and i5's they replaced.
upgraded by buying older high-end stuff.
Sold all of the i7's and i5's i had.

haven't missed out on any of this "great new tech" that everyone preaches...
I don't see the need to upgrade for awhile.
And when I do; I'll buy more HP Z440's or Z640's when the price comes down...

just my opinion...
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#18
las
Mats said:
Comet Lake, yes, but Ice Lake is supposed to be the biggest change since Bloomfield in 2008, right?
Ice Lake is not that close, next gen is still same arch, node shrink, meaning that HEDT won't get it for 2 years at least.

But yeah Ice Lake should bring bigger than usual perf jump, should launch in mid to late 2020, so maybe HEDT will get it by 2H 2021
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#19
IceShroom
Didnt Intel already refreshed their HEDT with 9000 serise?? [confused about which Lake it is]
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#20
EarthDog
juiseman said:
10-4, still rocking X79 and X58 Xeon's here...

1 mac pro 4,1 (flashed to 5,1) 1x x5680
1 x79 E5-2690v2 (10 core)
1 x79 E5-2667v2 (8 core) PCI-E m.2 NVME
1 79x E5-1607v2
2x 79 HP Z420's E5-2667v1 and E5-2650v1
1x HP Z400 x5675

they all work great; 2 best rigs handle more than 2x-3x the workload
of the i7's and i5's they replaced.
upgraded by buying older high-end stuff.
Sold all of the i7's and i5's i had.

haven't missed out on any of this "great new tech" that everyone preaches...
I don't see the need to upgrade for awhile.
And when I do; I'll buy more HP Z440's or Z640's when the price comes down...

just my opinion...
It depends on the uses for the machine, really. Gaming on your 5680 at 1080p for example, will put a glass ceiling on performance.

The performance difference per clock and the increased clockspeed and cores of modern processors will run circles around what you've got in anything. In fact, I would bet that the 8700K will beat that that e5-2667v2 stock for stock, even in multi-threading while also using less power. It could give that 2690 a run for its money as well.

I am happy that what you have works, but make no mistake about it, modern processors are a lot faster at everything they do compared to tech that came out a few/several years ago. There won't be a huge difference on the ivy bridge, but the clock speeds and efficiencies are worth noting too. ;)
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#21
juiseman
Very true; the latest Intel 8700K & 9900K are some beasts. I'm not denying that at all.
Personally, I wouldn't spend a lot of cash right now on any new tech; I think were about
to go leaps and bounds ahead in the near future..

I would just encourage to look at the price vs performance of buying some used parts
vs new. I could build a light-med budget gaming rig based on a used Z420 and a new Rx570 or 1050
for less than the price of a 8700k.
A lot of peeps are tight on money...to them
120FPS gaming is not as a big deal as not playing at all for lack of funding..

Most custom rigs are going to be in the woods of $800-$1000 for something mid to low grade...

I built custom rigs for years; until I discovered the used workstation market.
I agree these new chips can't be found in used workstations yet. And they are fast.
But like you stated; different people, different needs; and most important different
budgets...
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#22
Slizzo
IceShroom said:
Didnt Intel already refreshed their HEDT with 9000 serise?? [confused about which Lake it is]
"Refreshed". HEDT 9 series is still Skylake-X, just soldered instead of thermal pasted.

And they finally normalized the lanes across the 9 series unlike the split up on previous generations.
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#23
EarthDog
juiseman said:
Very true; the latest Intel 8700K & 9900K are some beasts. I'm not denying that at all.
Personally, I wouldn't spend a lot of cash right now on any new tech; I think were about
to go leaps and bounds ahead in the near future..

I would just encourage to look at the price vs performance of buying some used parts
vs new. I could build a light-med budget gaming rig based on a used Z420 and a new Rx570 or 1050
for less than the price of a 8700k.
A lot of peeps are tight on money...to them
120FPS gaming is not as a big deal as not playing at all for lack of funding..

Most custom rigs are going to be in the woods of $800-$1000 for something mid to low grade...

I built custom rigs for years; until I discovered the used workstation market.
I agree these new chips can't be found in used workstations yet. And they are fast.
But like you stated; different people, different needs; and most important different
budgets...
Some just don't want to muck with the used market and locked CPUs. This site is (more or less) enthusiasts and most want to overclock and not be stuck at a clock. Using X58 Xeon at stock would crush 1080p games... the ivy bridge, not as much.. but there were still improvements in IPC (~10%?) from IB to Skylake-X and the clocks are a lot higher out of the box + overclocking ability.

juiseman said:
I think were about
to go leaps and bounds ahead in the near future..
I don't. Unless you call leaps and bounds just pouring on cores while not really doing much to IPC/clock speed...The problem is, most people can't use all the cores and threads and software is woefully behind. There is not point in having cores that are not used... much like RAM. :)

Zen 2 is interesting, but we need to see where it lands clocks wise and such. But I don't see leaps and bounds in the future. Not at all.
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#24
Mescalamba
las said:
Yawning about 14nm while using a 9+ year old 32nm CPU? :laugh:
Hm, my Xeon has roughly similar power as much much more modern CPUs. So yea..

X5690 at 4,34 GHz paired with 1600 CL8 T1 TRFC88 (3x4GB .. might upgrade to 8GB eventually) and Titan Xp. Yea sure I wondered about ugprade, but apart nVME I lack nothing honestly. If I upgrade, its going to be X399. Intel is fine, but recently those security holes start to be a bit disturbing. Also gap in real gaming is actually small and I can use some extra cores for coding.
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#25
efikkan
So this is what qualifies as newsworthy these days; one random guy in a forum mentioning something…

Cascade Lake (-SP) was promised for last year, but is pretty much MIA. It promised cache improvements and higher clock speeds (for Cascade Lake-SP), but this is the first I'm hearing in a while about a Cascade Lake-X.
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