Monday, January 20th 2020

Rumor: NVIDIA's Next Generation GeForce RTX 3080 and RTX 3070 "Ampere" Graphics Cards Detailed

NVIDIA's next-generation of graphics cards codenamed Ampere is set to arrive sometime this year, presumably around GTC 2020 which takes place on March 22nd. Before the CEO of NVIDIA, Jensen Huang officially reveals the specifications of these new GPUs, we have the latest round of rumors coming our way. According to VideoCardz, which cites multiple sources, the die configurations of the upcoming GeForce RTX 3070 and RTX 3080 have been detailed. Using the latest 7 nm manufacturing process from Samsung, this generation of NVIDIA GPU offers a big improvement from the previous generation.

For starters the two dies which have appeared have codenames like GA103 and GA104, standing for RTX 3080 and RTX 3070 respectively. Perhaps the biggest surprise is the Streaming Multiprocessor (SM) count. The smaller GA104 die has as much as 48 SMs, resulting in 3072 CUDA cores, while the bigger, oddly named, GA103 die has as much as 60 SMs that result in 3840 CUDA cores in total. These improvements in SM count should result in a notable performance increase across the board. Alongside the increase in SM count, there is also a new memory bus width. The smaller GA104 die that should end up in RTX 3070 uses a 256-bit memory bus allowing for 8/16 GB of GDDR6 memory, while its bigger brother, the GA103, has a 320-bit wide bus that allows the card to be configured with either 10 or 20 GB of GDDR6 memory. In the images below you can check out the alleged diagrams for yourself and see if this looks fake or not, however, it is recommended to take this rumor with a grain of salt.
Source: VideoCardz
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173 Comments on Rumor: NVIDIA's Next Generation GeForce RTX 3080 and RTX 3070 "Ampere" Graphics Cards Detailed

#126
moproblems99
rtwjunkie
Because it fundamentally shifted the prices artificially upward for what appears forever. All because they passed off a high-midrange card as high end and charged accordingly.
Possibly. I think it is because AMD couldn't put up a solid competitor so NV could charge high end prices for a mid range card because the competition high end card priced as a high end card could only compete with a mid range card.

If AMD can pull a Zen in GPUs, we will get a price drop because NV will have to compete on price. In a sense, the entire industry hinges on AMD coming around or this will be status quo. The good thing is, is I don't think AMD is that far away. Will it be this gen? Only time will tell.
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#127
efikkan
moproblems99
If AMD can pull a Zen in GPUs, we will get a price drop because NV will have to compete on price. In a sense, the entire industry hinges on AMD coming around or this will be status quo. The good thing is, is I don't think AMD is that far away. Will it be this gen? Only time will tell.
You have to remember what it took for AMD to catch up with Zen/Zen2; over 3 years of Intel struggling with getting their designs to work on the new nodes. We shouldn't hope for the same to happen in the graphics market; years of stagnation for AMD to catch up…

AMD is currently 1.5 - 2 "generations" behind Nvidia. It is fairly unlikely that they will catch up in a single iteration. What they need to do is to take targeted steps towards closing the gap, and not fall further behind.

AMD are preparing Navi 21, 22 and 23, and if a tweaked Navi is all they have for the next 1-2 years, then they will risk increasing the gap even further if Nvidia's next gen brings any architectural improvements at all.
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#128
moproblems99
efikkan
You have to remember what it took for AMD to catch up with Zen/Zen2; over 3 years of Intel struggling with getting their designs to work on the new nodes. We shouldn't hope for the same to happen in the graphics market; years of stagnation for AMD to catch up…

AMD is currently 1.5 - 2 "generations" behind Nvidia. It is fairly unlikely that they will catch up in a single iteration. What they need to do is to take targeted steps towards closing the gap, and not fall further behind.

AMD are preparing Navi 21, 22 and 23, and if a tweaked Navi is all they have for the next 1-2 years, then they will risk increasing the gap even further if Nvidia's next gen brings any architectural improvements at all.
Maybe. Maybe not. Could they surprise us this year? Maybe. Is it likely? Not really. But I am not discounting the proverbial rabbit getting proverbially pulled from the proverbial hat.

Edit: They don't need to surpass NV to shift prices. They just need to get a little more competitive across more of the range. See the 2060 for an exhibit.

Additionally, AMD may like the high prices and want to cash in for a bit. Who could blame them?
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#129
kapone32
It is entirely possible that AMD could surprise us. Before Ryzen officially launched there was not a lot of information from AMD regarding the details of AM4 other than the info that was rehashed months before. If anyone had told me that the 5700XT would be 20 to 30% faster than the Vega 64 I would have laughed at them but the fact of the matter is that it is. The biggest caveat though is if Big Navi is as fast or even 10 to 15% faster than the 2080TI Nvidia will still have a sizable lead for the high end with the 3080Ti.
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#130
EarthDog
kapone32
It is entirely possible that AMD could surprise us. Before Ryzen officially launched there was not a lot of information from AMD regarding the details of AM4 other than the info that was rehashed months before. If anyone had told me that the 5700XT would be 20 to 30% faster than the Vega 64 I would have laughed at them but the fact of the matter is that it is. The biggest caveat though is if Big Navi is as fast or even 10 to 15% faster than the 2080TI Nvidia will still have a sizable lead for the high end with the 3080Ti.
I mean, one would've hoped the 5700xt would work over V64... the latter was based on years old Polaris. One would figure this was a given, not a surprise. That said, it's also a couple % slower than the Radeon VII, the previous flagship....
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#131
Super XP
kapone32
It is entirely possible that AMD could surprise us. Before Ryzen officially launched there was not a lot of information from AMD regarding the details of AM4 other than the info that was rehashed months before. If anyone had told me that the 5700XT would be 20 to 30% faster than the Vega 64 I would have laughed at them but the fact of the matter is that it is. The biggest caveat though is if Big Navi is as fast or even 10 to 15% faster than the 2080TI Nvidia will still have a sizable lead for the high end with the 3080Ti.
All AMD needs is a competitive portfolio for all segments including the high end. They don't have to beat Nvidia's 2080ti and 3080ti, just have to remain competitive which would help make prices more fair.
All I know is RDNA1 is a quarter of what a full new RDNA2 design will push out.

I'm quite optimistic about RDNA2. Can't wait to see more info on it. Hopefully the ATI Technology days are coming back ;) :)
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#132
EarthDog
Super XP
All I know is RDNA1 is a quarter of what a full new RDNA2 design will push out.
How do you know this?
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#133
Super XP
EarthDog
How do you know this?
Leaked Roadmaps? Why you ask. Lol
Based on several sites including Guru3D. All based on rumours of course.
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#134
kapone32
EarthDog
I mean, one would've hoped the 5700xt would work over V64... the latter was based on years old Polaris. One would figure this was a given, not a surprise. That said, it's also a couple % slower than the Radeon VII, the previous flagship....
Yes and probably because of the 16GB of memory on the VII so that there is no latency involved by sending info to DRAM. One thing that interests me is if AMD will use a 384 Bit bus for Big Navi and if so will we see 12 or 16GB of DDR6 on those cards.
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#135
moproblems99
EarthDog
That said, it's also a couple % slower than the Radeon VII, the previous flagship....
Even though 5700xt is the highest we got out of it,. I am not 100% sure that was the idea going in.
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#136
EarthDog
Super XP
Leaked Roadmaps? Why you ask. Lol
Based on several sites including Guru3D. All based on rumours of course.
In other words, you don't really know anything. :)

I'm not trying to be a dickhead here, but am a bit tired of seeing 'knowing' and other premature information under the guise of facts. :)

kapone32
Yes and probably because of the 16GB of memory on the VII so that there is no latency involved by sending info to DRAM. One thing that interests me is if AMD will use a 384 Bit bus for Big Navi and if so will we see 12 or 16GB of DDR6 on those cards.
Memory capacity has nothing to do with that card's performance (in games), nor my talking point. To reiterate, we saw a flagship part come out that is slower than the last gen flagship part. It is taking an arch tweak and another generation to get there...IF RDNA 2 is competitive on the high-end (within a few percent of 2080ti).

Some people's faith is seemingly misplaced in rumors and misinformation. :(
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#137
P4-630
Super XP
All I know is RDNA1 is a quarter of what a full new RDNA2 design will push out.
Links please....
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#138
Krzych
Super XP
IA quick word of advice, RDNA 2 will make Nvidia re-think it's Ampere GPU Launch.
Yea we hear that before every AMD launch, every time they are about to come with some secret revolutionary GPUs that is going to save the world, but then the real products come out...

QUANTUMPHYSICS
If I do buy a 3080Ti, I will sell my 2080Ti on Ebay and probably get around $700 - $800 for it.
From now on I will only buy cards with built in AIO.

I am extremely impressed with the temperature of my FTW3 over my BLACK.

My Black will rise to 55 Degrees after 2 - 3 hours of gaming with Ray Tracing on.

My FTW3 doesn't go past 40 Degrees in the same time period.

I don't overclock (as a practice).
If Ampere is any good then you are not getting anywhere near $700-$800. New RTX 3070 should be close to 2080 Ti with both normal performance and RT performance at half the power and no more than $449-499. I have a 2080 Ti too, but only now it will be the time to really pay for the madness that was going on in recent years. Pascal did keep it's price thanks to inflated pricing of Turing, so we were able to not feel the price of Turing, but now comes the generation not only with proper leap in performance and efficiency, but also much cheaper. This even in normal circumstances causes the previous generation to depreciate by 50%, and with Turing that was both less of generational jump and much expensive than usual, this is going to reach 70%, especially for 2080 Ti.

This is not going to hit those who will keep upgrading, because you will sell your 2080 Ti for let's say 40% of new 3080 Ti price, add 60% of your own cash and you get 50%+ more performance, so that's not a big deal, also cards don't depreciate just because, Turing will only depreciate as much as Ampere will make it, so if Ampere is weak, Turing won't depreciate, and the ratio maintains. But as far absolute depreciation goes, I mean the difference between purchase price and sell price, for example for those who just want to sell the card and move on without buying new one, it is going to a record one.
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#139
kapone32
If Ampere is any good then you are not getting anywhere near $700-$800. New RTX 3070 should be close to 2080 Ti with both normal performance and RT performance at half the power and no more than $449-499. I have a 2080 Ti too, but only now it will be the time to really pay for the madness that was going on in recent years. Pascal did keep it's price thanks to inflated pricing of Turing, so we were able to not feel the price of Turing, but now comes the generation not only with proper leap in performance and efficiency, but also much cheaper. This even in normal circumstances causes the previous generation to depreciate by 50%, and with Turing that was both less of generational jump and much expensive than usual, this is going to reach 70%, especially for 2080 Ti.[/quote]I seriously fear that these cards will be uber expensive. The 3080TI could be as high as $1700+ here in Canada. The reason I say that is that 2080TI is still $1400+ here in Canada. I can also see Nvidia releasing their new high end before Big NAvi gets released too. To be honest though what I really want is a fast card for 4K that can OC like how Tahiti OC so nicely for under $500.
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#140
moproblems99
Krzych
If Ampere is any good then you are not getting anywhere near $700-$800. New RTX 3070 should be close to 2080 Ti with both normal performance and RT performance at half the power and no more than $449-499. I have a 2080 Ti too, but only now it will be the time to really pay for the madness that was going on in recent years. Pascal did keep it's price thanks to inflated pricing of Turing, so we were able to not feel the price of Turing, but now comes the generation not only with proper leap in performance and efficiency, but also much cheaper. This even in normal circumstances causes the previous generation to depreciate by 50%, and with Turing that was both less of generational jump and much expensive than usual, this is going to reach 70%, especially for 2080 Ti.
You are not getting a large performance increase, large efficiency gain, and large price drop. Let's get that out of the way right now. You may get one of them. If lucky.
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#141
ppn
Well 3070 is 2080S on steroids, this is 60% faster than 2070. 60% the chip size at same power higher clocks, and lower price.... than 2080S.
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#142
kapone32
ppn
Well 3070 is 2080S on steroids, this is 2x faster than 2070. 3/4 the chip size at same power higher clocks, and lower price,.... than the 2080S. but higher than 2070.
So we have pricing details for Ampere?
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#143
ppn
We have nothing for ampere at all. just grains of salt.
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#144
efikkan
ppn
We have nothing for ampere at all. just grains of salt.
Frankly, we don't even have the name confirmed…

The only "safe" guess is that it will be at least a node shrink.
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#145
Super XP
P4-630
Links please....
Why not check the internet. There's a wealth of speculation and rumours for both Big Navi / RDNA2 and Ampere. lol

http://www.redgamingtech.com/rdna-2-power-and-performance-improvements-to-take-on-nvidia-analysis-exclusive/

https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-rdna-2-graphics-cards-may-be-out-in-2020-according-to-leaked-roadmap

A lot of the expertise of Zen's design team has moved to Radeon to help push AMD's graphics performance to the next level.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/amd_s_rdna_2_architecture_will_deliver_major_performance_efficiency_improvements_-_rumour/1

AMD's CEO, Lisa Su, has confirmed that PC gamers should expect to see Radeon graphics cards with hardware-accelerated raytracing this year. Furthermore, Lisa Su has also confirmed that "a high-end Navi" graphics card is in the works.

https://wccftech.com/amd-zen-3-ryzen-epyc-cpus-and-rdna-2-radeon-rx-gpus-2020-launch/

https://hothardware.com/news/amd-radeon-rx-navi-21-gddr6-rdna-2

https://upnewsinfo.com/2020/01/18/amd-rdna-2-new-rumors-allege-50-better-performance-than-rdna-1-with-no-added-power-consumption/

https://www.techpowerup.com/262098/ray-tracing-and-variable-rate-shading-design-goals-for-amd-rdna2

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-rdna-2-gpu-zen

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-radeon-5800-xt-(big-navi)-to-get-80-compute-units.html
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#146
efikkan
80 CUs? Does it pass the smell test?
40 CUs in Navi 10 is already 225W, but doubling that plus some kind of RT cores? This quickly sounds like >400W even with benefits from 7nm EUV. AMD better have some secret tricks up their sleeve to do this.
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#147
Super XP
efikkan
80 CUs? Does it pass the smell test?
40 CUs in Navi 10 is already 225W, but doubling that plus some kind of RT cores? This quickly sounds like >400W even with benefits from 7nm EUV. AMD better have some secret tricks up their sleeve to do this.
Try not to confuse RDNA1 5700 and 5700XT with RDNA2. They aren't the same according to several reliable sources.
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#148
P4-630
Super XP
Why not check the internet. There's a wealth of speculation and rumours for both Big Navi / RDNA2 and Ampere. lol

http://www.redgamingtech.com/rdna-2-power-and-performance-improvements-to-take-on-nvidia-analysis-exclusive/

https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-rdna-2-graphics-cards-may-be-out-in-2020-according-to-leaked-roadmap

A lot of the expertise of Zen's design team has moved to Radeon to help push AMD's graphics performance to the next level.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/amd_s_rdna_2_architecture_will_deliver_major_performance_efficiency_improvements_-_rumour/1

AMD's CEO, Lisa Su, has confirmed that PC gamers should expect to see Radeon graphics cards with hardware-accelerated raytracing this year. Furthermore, Lisa Su has also confirmed that "a high-end Navi" graphics card is in the works.

https://wccftech.com/amd-zen-3-ryzen-epyc-cpus-and-rdna-2-radeon-rx-gpus-2020-launch/

https://hothardware.com/news/amd-radeon-rx-navi-21-gddr6-rdna-2

https://upnewsinfo.com/2020/01/18/amd-rdna-2-new-rumors-allege-50-better-performance-than-rdna-1-with-no-added-power-consumption/

https://www.techpowerup.com/262098/ray-tracing-and-variable-rate-shading-design-goals-for-amd-rdna2

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-rdna-2-gpu-zen

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-radeon-5800-xt-(big-navi)-to-get-80-compute-units.html
Super XP
All I know is RDNA1 is a quarter of what a full new RDNA2 design will push out.
Just clicked a few links, I see "half".
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#149
moproblems99
P4-630
Just clicked a few links, I see "half".
*Remembers previous hype vs launch reality*
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#150
Super XP
P4-630
Just clicked a few links, I see "half".
Are you joking with me? lol, all sources claim its brand spanking new design that will feature some exceptional things including VRS and RT.
At the end of the day it's rumours and speculation, but note that a couple of those sources have been right before.
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