Friday, April 24th 2020

NVIDIA is Secretly Working on a 5 nm Chip

According to the report of DigiTimes, which talked about TSMC's 5 nm silicon manufacturing node, they have reported that NVIDIA is also going to be a customer for it and they could use it in the near future. And that is very interesting information, knowing that these chips will not go in the next generation of GPUs. Why is that? Because we know that NVIDIA will utilize both TSMC and Samsung for their 7 nm manufacturing nodes for its next-generation Ampere GPUs that will end up in designs like GeForce RTX 3070 and RTX 3080 graphics cards. These designs are not what NVIDIA needs 5 nm for.

Being that NVIDIA already has a product in its pipeline that will satisfy the demand for the high-performance graphics market, maybe they are planning something that will end up being a surprise to everyone. No one knows what it is, however, the speculation (which you should take with a huge grain of salt) would be that NVIDIA is updating its Tegra SoC with the latest node. That Tegra SoC could be used in a range of mobile devices, like the Nintendo Switch, so could NVIDIA be preparing a new chip for Nintendo Switch 2?
NVIDIA Xavier SoC
Source: DigiTimes via TweakTown
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34 Comments on NVIDIA is Secretly Working on a 5 nm Chip

#1
davideneco
Yes
AMD too
Apple too
Huawei too ...
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#2
Anymal
Aleksander, Ampere not Volta chips as 30x0 series.
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#3
dj-electric
NVIDIA is Secretly doing what they have been secretly doing for over 20 years...
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#4
Dave65
And Intel asked, what is 5 nm?
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#5
mtcn77
davideneco
Yes
AMD too
Apple too
Huawei too ...
Wrong, previously Nvidia was corresponding with Samsung in this generation.
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#6
davideneco
mtcn77
Wrong, previously Nvidia was corresponding with Samsung in this generation.
We will see ;)
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#7
mtcn77
davideneco
We will see ;)
Yes, there are lots of releases to see this time.
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#8
ZoneDymo
davideneco
Yes
AMD too
Apple too
Huawei too ...
right? you are telling me companies are looking towards and working towards the future? like how GTA6 started development in 2014? no freaking way dude

but yeah onto the article, it would be interesting if Nintendo already has a contract with Nvidia for a next console.
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#9
Kaotik
mtcn77
Wrong, previously Nvidia was corresponding with Samsung in this generation.
They're using both Samsung and TSMC, which is nothing new, they've used Samsung previously for their lowest end chips.

For 7nm, NVIDIA has specifically confirmed that TSMC will still get the majority of their chip orders (meaning majority of their chips are designed for TSMCs process), Samsung gets less. What the exact chip split will be this time around remains to be seen.

Tagging @AleksandarK too because this is relevant for the news, which has misleading information in it suggesting only Samsung as the partner for 7nm.
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#10
AleksandarK
Kaotik
They're using both Samsung and TSMC, which is nothing new, they've used Samsung previously for their lowest end chips.

For 7nm, NVIDIA has specifically confirmed that TSMC will still get the majority of their chip orders (meaning majority of their chips are designed for TSMCs process), Samsung gets less. What the exact chip split will be this time around remains to be seen.

Tagging @AleksandarK too because this is relevant for the news, which has misleading information in it suggesting only Samsung as the partner for 7nm.
I am aware of this, however, it's still unknown how that will play out. Until then let's keep it as Samsung only, and as more info surfaces I shall update accordingly.
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#11
mtcn77
Kaotik
which has misleading information in it suggesting only
Well played.
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#13
Valantar
Non-publicized is not the same as secret. So this news post ought to be retitled "Chip design company reportedly working on future chip design", which would again clarify that this is not news.
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#14
delshay
Valantar
Non-publicized is not the same as secret. So this news post ought to be retitled "Chip design company reportedly working on future chip design", which would again clarify that this is not news.
Correct.

If more than one person knows about it, it's not a secret.
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Assimilator
delshay
Correct.

If more than one person knows about it, it's not a secret.
To be precise: as soon as a clueless news outlet reports it as "secret", it's no longer secret.
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#17
EarthDog
ARF
But... but.... but.... Where are Nvidia's 7nm chips?
But....but...but... Ampre.


.... which many other reputable outlets have reported on (as linked) previously.

You dont just leave that part out and make up part of the story.

Edit: amd and nvidia just bought out the remainder of tsmc's capacity as well. Makes sense to use sammy too as was reported months ago.
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#18
ARF
AleksandarK
I am aware of this, however, it's still unknown how that will play out. Until then let's keep it as Samsung only, and as more info surfaces I shall update accordingly.
How Samsung only when it's TSMC N5 only? :confused:
N7 will be both but Samsung has no 5nm process.
EarthDog
But....but...but... Ampre.
I didn't ask about the press but where can you buy actual Nvidia 7nm graphics chip? What products? If there are no products, when will there be, etc?
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#19
EarthDog
ARF
I didn't ask about the press but where can you buy actual Nvidia 7nm graphics chip? What products? If there are no products, when will there be, etc?
Seriously, Alf? You need the card in hand? Use your head or move along, please...
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ARF
EarthDog
Seriously, Alf? Move along, please...
Why?! AMD's Radeon VII with Vega 20 on TSMC N7 node was released LAST year in January.
I am asking seriously, you are hiding from the question.
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#21
EarthDog
ARF
Why?! AMD's Radeon VII with Vega 20 on TSMC N7 node was released LAST year in January.
I am asking seriously, you are hiding from the question.
I'm not hiding from shit except going down your troll holes.

Ampre is built on 7nm and will use capacity from tsmc and samsung. We'll see this card in a few months.
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#22
ARF
EarthDog
I'm not hiding from shit except going down your troll holes.

Ampre is built on 7nm and will use capacity from tsmc and samsung. We'll see this card in a few months.
You are not seriousif you think I'm trolling. I'm in reality anxious about the lack of any new products from both. Which means that if Nvidia had anything new, maybe that would forced AMD to launch Navi 2X faster, which is what I am waiting for.
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#23
delshay
Assimilator
To be precise: as soon as a clueless news outlet reports it as "secret", it's no longer secret.
Nice one. Giving you a like. You made me laugh.
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#24
EarthDog
ARF
You are not seriousif you think I'm trolling. I'm in reality anxious about the lack of any new products from both. Which means that if Nvidia had anything new, maybe that would forced AMD to launch Navi 2X faster, which is what I am waiting for.
I am serious. It feels like you are trolling at worst making misinformed assumptions at best.

Nvidia will be using capacity from TSMC and Samsung as been reported previously months ago. You dont just ignore that because 'you(author) dont know'. ;)

Move along, Alf. Not doing it kiddo. :)
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#25
ARF
EarthDog
Nvidia will be using capacity from TSMC and Samsung as been reported previously months ago.
Are the products taped-out or they are waiting a future tape-out in the next months?
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