Friday, January 8th 2021

AMD 32-Core EPYC "Milan" Zen 3 CPU Fights Dual Xeon 28-Core Processors

AMD is expected to announce its upcoming EPYC lineup of processors for server applications based on the new Zen 3 architecture. Codenamed "Milan", AMD is continuing the use of Italian cities as codenames for its processors. Being based on the new Zen 3 core, Milan is expected to bring big improvements over the existing EPYC "Rome" design. Bringing a refined 7 nm+ process, the new EPYC Milan CPUs are going to feature better frequencies, which are getting paired with high core counts. If you are wondering how Zen 3 would look like in server configuration, look no further because we have the upcoming AMD EPYC 7543 32-core processor benchmarked in Geekbench 4 benchmark.

The new EPYC 7543 CPU is a 32 core, 64 thread design with a base clock of 2.8 GHz, and a boost frequency of 3.7 GHz. The caches on this CPU are big, and there is a total of 2048 KB (32 times 32 KB for instruction cache and 32 times 32 KB for data cache) of L1 cache, 16 MB of L2 cache, and as much as 256 MB of L3. In the GB4 test, a single-core test produced 6065 points, while the multi-core run resulted in 111379 points. If you are wondering how that fairs against something like top-end Intel Xeon Platinum 8280 Cascade Lake 28-core CPU, the new EPYC Milan 7543 CPU is capable of fighting two of them at the same time. In a single-core test, the Intel Xeon configuration scores 5048 points, showing that the new Milan CPU has 20% higher single-core performance, while the multi-core score of the dual Xeon setup is 117171 points, which is 5% faster than AMD CPU. The reason for the higher multi-core score is the sheer number of cores that a dual-CPU configuration offers (32 cores vs 56 cores).
Sources: Geekbench 4, via Leakbench, Hexus.net (image)
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41 Comments on AMD 32-Core EPYC "Milan" Zen 3 CPU Fights Dual Xeon 28-Core Processors

#26
Makaveli
trparkyThat may very well be true but it's the management at Intel that needs to get out of the way of the engineers to let them do their jobs. So far management hasn't done that and until that happens they've got their hands tied.
Yup there management has been terrible for the last few years so that is a major issue for them. However they will not be bankrupt and gone in the next 5-10 years even if they fail on the next few products.
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#27
FinneousPJ
BytalesYou are better offbaquiring ryo. Monero is flawed as it isnt private as has been thought. If you want what monero is suppose to be, get ryo. Follow at ryo-currency.com. chances are you allready own an asic for mining ryo in your possesion. People have named it gpu.


There are lot of other cpus on the market arm, tachyum, etc. We dont need intel.
My point was that Monero mining is extremely efficient on Ryzen. If Ryo is susceptible to ASIC mining then it is quite bad for mining on this chip.
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#28
trparky
MakaveliHowever they will not be bankrupt and gone in the next 5-10 years even if they fail on the next few products.
I agree. They're going to be burning money for the next five to ten years until they let the engineers do their jobs.
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#29
Vayra86
ZoneDymopretty sure we are all going arm anyway sooo yeah
Sure, just give it a decade at least.

x86 is like oil companies, it WILL keep itself relevant somehow. Its too big to fail until all avenues to succeed are gone.
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#30
Xuper
Holy Molly!!! I thought 32 cores vs 28 cores. wow damn that hurts so much for Intel. one CPU is equal to 57% of Dual Xeon 28 cores on other hand one Intel CPU is 47.3% slower than Zen3.
Xeon = 117171 / 2 = 58,585.5 points , Zen 3 = 111379 so
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#31
silentbogo
AquinusI'm the last person to defend Intel, but why wasn't the same kernel used for testing both platforms? 4.2.2 is pretty old, like over 5 years old.
It's Parrot 4.2.2 with kernel 4.18.0 and some patches, which is still 2 years old. Though, I'm having the same issue with these numbers - this version of Parrot OS isn't even in mainstream anymore, and there were a ton of performance improvements in linux kernel since then (to the point where even Clear Linux or any Zen optimized distros don't really give any advantage these days).
Plus, a glaring issue of single-socket vs dual-socket. I'm sure EPYC still wins, but that comparison is not just skewed, it's off the rails.
Bruno VieiraGeekbench is a better benchmark, stresses a larger number of workloads, and cinebench is just rendering
Geekbench is the worst benchmark in existence. Their error margin is so huge, you can't even get stable results on the same machine back to back (especially GB4).
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#32
ratirt
Oh. AMD is not stopping. I'm just so amazed how they are pushing forward but.... get it in the market and then we will talk :)
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#33
InVasMani
Did you roll need before greed on that EPYC loot!!?
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#34
ZoneDymo
Vayra86Sure, just give it a decade at least.

x86 is like oil companies, it WILL keep itself relevant somehow. Its too big to fail until all avenues to succeed are gone.
I mean sure, but oil has Tesla, and x86 has Apple going against it, thats not nothing
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#35
Makaveli
ZoneDymoI mean sure, but oil has Tesla, and x86 has Apple going against it, thats not nothing
My opinion but I don't really see apple vs x86.

People that buy apple products love that wall garden and will stay in it. They were probably never going to buy a x86 product. Intel and Amd are clearly competitors Apple kinda competes with itself.
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#36
Vayra86
ZoneDymoI mean sure, but oil has Tesla, and x86 has Apple going against it, thats not nothing
Tesla is an excellent example. It offers electric cars, while at the same time, hydrogen fueled vehicles are shaping up to serve another segment. The consensus is that we can now diversify our propulsion engines, so to speak, but its certainly not decided and set on electric alone. ARM and x86 are much the same. There are still big segments of the market where x86 is just essential, or offers advantages causing users not to switch over.

Place Tesla in the position of Apple and its a perfect fit, too. Tesla made electric simple and accessible, but still covers barely or less thsn 10% of the market, but still guides the other fossil based car builders forward, and makes it too big to ignore.
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#37
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
MakaveliMy opinion but I don't really see apple vs x86.

People that buy apple products love that wall garden and will stay in it. They were probably never going to buy a x86 product. Intel and Amd are clearly competitors Apple kinda competes with itself.
When you go with Apple, you're buying into the ecosystem and all of the benefits that come with having so much of the product being in-house (even more so with Apple Silicon.) Apple makes good products for the general user if you're willing to pay the price premium. There are people who don't think the price is worth it and there are people that are looking for something that Apple doesn't actively compete with, such as PC gaming. It depends on what's important to you. For me, my MacBook Pro is everything I wanted in a laptop. I just had to sell a kidney to afford it. :laugh:

To stay on topic though: For me, I hate this comparison because of the huge difference in linux kernel versions. Multi-threaded scores on the Xeon setup with mitigations turned off is going to benefit a lot from all of the scheduling and power management changes in the Linux kernel over the last 5 years. This is why I say that this comparison is dumb.
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#38
thesmokingman
ZoneDymoI wonder if this Patrick is Turmania's alt account.

Either way, pretty desperate and doesnt change reality soooo yeah, fail.
They all seem to repeat the same mantra don't they?

Anyways on topic, with the ARM onslaught, we have only AMD to thank for fighting back that scourge!
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#39
1d10t
thesmokingmanThey all seem to repeat the same mantra don't they?

Anyways on topic, with the ARM onslaught, we have only AMD to thank for fighting back that scourge!
That leave Intel holy endeavor is got squished in middle between AMD performance and highly efficient ARM :D /s
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#40
ScaLibBDP
owen10578Why in the world would someone get their hands on a brand new Zen 3 32-core CPU and the first thing that comes to mind is run Geekbench instead of Cinebench?
The problem is actually in a significant misunderstanding that it Does Not make Any sense to compare directly two systems with Very different numbers of cores!

56 Cores vs. 32 Cores, that is the Dual CPU system vs. Single CPU system!

For many-many years Intel and AMD are using Composite Theoretical Performance ( CTP ) values to evaluate Peak Processing Power of CPUs ( also known as Rpeak in Computer Science and HPC communities ):

CTP values ( Non-Normalized ) for Single CPU configurations:

Intel Xeon Platinum 8280 - 2.7 GHz / 28 cores / AVX-2 / FMA support - CTP = 2.419 TFLOPs ( ~15.6% slower than AMD EPYC 7543 Zen 3 )
AMD EPYC 7543 Zen 3 - 2.8 GHz / 32 cores / AVX-2 / FMA support - CTP = 2.867 TFLOPs

CTP values ( Normalized ) for Single CPU configurations:

Intel Xeon Platinum 8280 - 2.7 GHz / 32 cores / AVX-2 / FMA support - CTP = 2.765 TFLOPs ( ~3.6% slower than AMD EPYC 7543 Zen 3 ) ( 2.765 = 2.419 TFLOPs * 32/28 )
AMD EPYC 7543 Zen 3 - 2.8 GHz / 32 cores / AVX-2 / FMA support - CTP = 2.867 TFLOPs

Note: Intel's CPU number of Cores is multiplied by 32 / 28 ~= 1.1428571 to Normalize number of Cores to 32 and in that case we're comparing 32-Core Intel system vs. 32-Core AMD system

For Dual CPU configurations multiply TFLOPs numbers by 2.

As you can see Intel Xeon CPU is only 3.6% slower when compared to the latest Gen 3 AMD CPU if Normalization of number of Cores is taken into account.

PS: I'm a C/C++ Software Engineer and I'm Not in favour of Intel or AMD in that case. However, "Apples-must-be-compared-to-Apples" and Not to "Lemons"...
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#41
owen10578
ScaLibBDPThe problem is actually in a significant misunderstanding that it Does Not make Any sense to compare directly two systems with Very different numbers of cores!

56 Cores vs. 32 Cores, that is the Dual CPU system vs. Single CPU system!

For many-many years Intel and AMD are using Composite Theoretical Performance ( CTP ) values to evaluate Peak Processing Power of CPUs ( also known as Rpeak in Computer Science and HPC communities ):

CTP values ( Non-Normalized ) for Single CPU configurations:

Intel Xeon Platinum 8280 - 2.7 GHz / 28 cores / AVX-2 / FMA support - CTP = 2.419 TFLOPs ( ~15.6% slower than AMD EPYC 7543 Zen 3 )
AMD EPYC 7543 Zen 3 - 2.8 GHz / 32 cores / AVX-2 / FMA support - CTP = 2.867 TFLOPs

CTP values ( Normalized ) for Single CPU configurations:

Intel Xeon Platinum 8280 - 2.7 GHz / 32 cores / AVX-2 / FMA support - CTP = 2.765 TFLOPs ( ~3.6% slower than AMD EPYC 7543 Zen 3 ) ( 2.765 = 2.419 TFLOPs * 32/28 )
AMD EPYC 7543 Zen 3 - 2.8 GHz / 32 cores / AVX-2 / FMA support - CTP = 2.867 TFLOPs

Note: Intel's CPU number of Cores is multiplied by 32 / 28 ~= 1.1428571 to Normalize number of Cores to 32 and in that case we're comparing 32-Core Intel system vs. 32-Core AMD system

For Dual CPU configurations multiply TFLOPs numbers by 2.

As you can see Intel Xeon CPU is only 3.6% slower when compared to the latest Gen 3 AMD CPU if Normalization of number of Cores is taken into account.

PS: I'm a C/C++ Software Engineer and I'm Not in favour of Intel or AMD in that case. However, "Apples-must-be-compared-to-Apples" and Not to "Lemons"...
Why in the world would you normalize the cores when they are not the same in the real world? That's just single core performance comparison with extra steps.
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