TomorrowThe top gamer card has been more and more cut down every generation. Now also 1/4th of the memory capacity. Ok saying it scraps is perhaps too harsh.
Then lets put it this way - gamers are getting a shorter and shorter stick each gen while the cost keeps rising.

Say what you will about AMD , but they have kept their cards below 999. Party trough necessity yes, but in the end the consumer doesn't care why prices are the way the are. They care what the prices are. If i have to choose between two evils then im choosing the lesser of two evils.

Nvidia meanwhile keeps increasing prices far in excess of manufacturing cost. Now 1999 is normalized. If the next gen card in 2027 will be 2099 then people will be cheering that it's only 100 bucks more. Forgetting that before even 1000 was unheard of. Like they cheered 4090 being 1600 instead of 1500.

Funny thing about Radeon pricing, they've been adopting Nvidia pricing minus 50-75 bucks to account for their own product's shortcomings. The reason they haven't broken the 999 mark is that the 7900 XTX failed to counter the RTX 4090 at the 4080 price (which is what they intended from the get go) and they had to do a pre-launch price cut. Overall all they ever managed to extract was N31=AD103, not a drop more. That's why the 7900 XT had the weird $900 round, they probably ate into their margins as much as they could to pull that off.

I guarantee you if the upper segment RDNA 4 GPU performed like the 5090, they'd ask ~$1749 for it, and it'd be a "good deal".

Rover4444Wow, that actually makes Intel holding %1 of the market at times pretty impressive.

Even this singular percent is actually amounts to a couple million units, so people are indeed using Intel dGPUs. I wish they could shift more, but that bun still needs to stay a little more time in the oven. They just need to stay the course, keep investing, and their breakthrough will happen in due time. As long as they don't self-own like AMD has the habit of doing.

Hilux SSRGShame on all the Nvidiots who bought Nvidia graphics cards rather than AMD or Intel when you had an option and they were price competitive/feature similar. Reap what you sow from your overlords.

Note this AI boom does not help but still...

I have bought Nvidia cards for the past 3 generations precisely because AMD is not competitive in performance nor feature similar. I, and my 5090, will live through this storm.

Hard to believe that we're still doing the AMD-vs-Nvidia fanboy war at a time when even HDDs are skyrocketing in price. The whole ecosystem for our "hobby" is being flushed down the drain atm, with BOTH Nvidia and AMD in on the orgy of financial self-dealing and speculation driving the crisis, btw.

And for all that certain actors would like to frame this situation as "spoiled gamers" versus the "sober and forward thinking AI tech wizards," the main victims are other businesses, countless in number, that have been thrown into chaos due to the AI bubble. Virtually the entire modern world runs on memory chips to one extent or another. That's before we get to the water and electricity problem, which could very well lead to skyrocketing power bills for the average person.

But sure, whether a specific upper-mid-range consumer GPU is officially unavailable, or just unofficially poised for scalping (along with every other GPU), is definitely worth pages of heated debate.

There's been a lot of talk lately about whether or not people feel the need to upgrade in this environment. This misses the point by a mile, IMO. If you have even a 5 year old rig it should be easy enough to make do. The idea that anyone would be substantially "deprived" if he can't play the newest cutting-edge AAA slop, in an era when there are multiple lifetimes' worth of good alternatives available at the press of a button, strains credulity. Graphics aren't even that much better in newer titles, anymore.

But what if something breaks? What if anything breaks? That question becomes more disturbing by the day. We've already started seeing companies send out IOUs for memory in response to RMAs, lol.

WastelandHard to believe that we're still doing the AMD-vs-Nvidia fanboy war at a time when even HDDs are skyrocketing in price. The whole ecosystem for our "hobby" is being flushed down the drain atm, with BOTH Nvidia and AMD in on the orgy of financial self-dealing and speculation driving the crisis, btw.

And for all that certain actors would like to frame this situation as "spoiled gamers" versus the "sober and forward thinking AI tech wizards," the main victims are other businesses, countless in number, that have been thrown into chaos due to the AI bubble. Virtually the entire modern world runs on memory chips to one extent or another. That's before we get to the water and electricity problem, which could very well lead to skyrocketing power bills for the average person.

But sure, whether a specific upper-mid-range consumer GPU is officially unavailable, or just unofficially poised for scalping (along with every other GPU), is definitely worth pages of heated debate.

There's been a lot of talk lately about whether or not people feel the need to upgrade in this environment. This misses the point by a mile, IMO. If you have even a 5 year old rig it should be easy enough to make do. The idea that anyone would be substantially "deprived" if he can't play the newest cutting-edge AAA slop, in an era when there are multiple lifetimes' worth of good alternatives available at the press of a button, strains credulity. Graphics aren't even that much better in newer titles, anymore.

But what if something breaks? What if anything breaks? That question becomes more disturbing by the day. We've already started seeing companies send out IOUs for memory in response to RMAs, lol.

Nvidia fans always want to feel justified for their purchase, even when the jacket man has turned their back to what built the company, or is rapidly destroying the tech market with shoving AI down everyones throats. AMD is in on the AI scheme, I can't blame them, but putting all of their eggs in one basket, talking about nothing but AI during CES, even throwing "AI" into product names could severely backfire on them if the AI bubble pops. A majority of consumers are getting tired of tech CEO's constantly talking about how great AI is when there has yet to be any real benefit seen, it's already causing higher electricity costs, and polluting water.
But what happens when the only option anyone has are 10+ year old systems? DDR3 motherboards are popular again, with DDR3 RAM prices going up.
I didn't forget Nvidia after the crypto scam, they priced me out of the market after the 30 series anyway with prices going up a tier while hardware price to performance went down a tier, and I won't forgive them for at minimum damaging the whole tech industry with the AI bubble, hopefully it pops in some way that it doesn't completely crash the economy.

Dr. Dro7900 XTX failed to counter the RTX 4090

The 7900XTX was never intended to compete with a 4090, it wasn't even priced like a x90 tier card.

Dr. DroRDNA 4 GPU performed like the 5090, they'd ask ~$1749 for it, and it'd be a "good deal".

An RDNA4 card performing like a 5090 selling for less than $2000 would be an amazing deal, given how 5090's are selling for $5,000.

Dr. DroEven this singular percent is actually amounts to a couple million units, so people are indeed using Intel dGPUs. I wish they could shift more, but that bun still needs to stay a little more time in the oven. They just need to stay the course, keep investing, and their breakthrough will happen in due time. As long as they don't self-own like AMD has the habit of doing.

A few million units of Arc GPU's isn't bad, certainly enough for several brands to offer sales, along with dedicated AIB partners like Sparkle.
Although long term support would be uncertain now that Intel is partnering up with Nvidia.

Dr. DroI have bought Nvidia cards for the past 3 generations precisely because AMD is not competitive in performance nor feature similar. I, and my 5090, will live through this storm.

Anyone complaninig about "competition" or "performance" but handing over the wallet anyway has no room to complain about the lack of competition especially when they've contributed to creating the storm.

Hecate91Nvidia fans always want to feel justified for their purchase, even when the jacket man has turned their back to what built the company, or is rapidly destroying the tech market with shoving AI down everyones throats. AMD is in on the AI scheme, I can't blame them, but putting all of their eggs in one basket, talking about nothing but AI during CES, even throwing "AI" into product names could severely backfire on them if the AI bubble pops. A majority of consumers are getting tired of tech CEO's constantly talking about how great AI is when there has yet to be any real benefit seen, it's already causing higher electricity costs, and polluting water.

Why would the overwhelming majority of people need to feel "justified" for the superior products? This is simple projecting. AMD datacenter parts also consume electricity, btw.

Hecate91The 7900XTX was never intended to compete with a 4090, it wasn't even priced like a x90 tier card.

Haha, with those specs, sure it wasn't. Especially after the obvious pre-launch price cuts.

Hecate91An RDNA4 card performing like a 5090 selling for less than $2000 would be an amazing deal, given how 5090's are selling for $5,000.

Natural order of competition, if the 5090 had any competition, it wouldn't be $5000. But if AMD had such a video card to offer, neither of these models would be selling at MSRP either.

Hecate91Anyone complaninig about "competition" or "performance" but handing over the wallet anyway has no room to complain about the lack of competition especially when they've contributed to creating the storm.

...where exactly am I complaining, though? If it gets too much for my wallet, I buy a lower-end model or even an AMD card, provided there's enough value in the purchase. It remains the 5090 is still a lot faster than anything AMD has to offer today, and that makes it the most suitable product for my use case (4K ultra quality, 120fps+ gaming). It's not hard to figure out, even if this entire forum and everyone who ever read a single page of it on their lives never purchased an Nvidia GPU the current situation would not change.

Dick move as the 5070ti was a poor man's 5080, but I guess that's why they axed it.

AirisomDick move as the 5070ti was a poor man's 5080, but I guess that's why they axed it.

HUB already walked it back

Dragam1337Yeah, cause corporations are always honest about what they are doing... were you born yesterday, or what ?

So, when there's a negative rumour about a company you don't like, it is automatically accepted as truth. And when the same rumour is debunked and corrected, even by people who originally reported it, then it's automatically false because muh corporations.

That's some champion logic right here :)

Dr. DroHUB already walked it back

That's what i said in another thread. Don't believe a word they say (both ASUS and Nvidia). Instead watch the supply.
If a reviewer cant even get review samples then it's as good as EOL and ASUS throwing their own employee under the bus is just super scummy.

Is 5070 Ti EOL?
The silence is your answer!

cinemawareSo, when there's a negative rumour about a company you don't like, it is automatically accepted as truth. And when the same rumour is debunked and corrected, even by people who originally reported it, then it's automatically false because muh corporations.

That's some champion logic right here :)

Do you know what damage control is? Yeah, it's generally corpos lying about stuff that upset people when it was revealed.

They are not giving the gpu's EOL status, but they will be EOL in all but name...

Yeah back to paper launch status and by the time supply catches back up the 6000 series will be out. Can't help but be pessimistic when the tech DIY market has been dog shit for 7 years

HUB walking back on this info, or afraid they'll get blacklisted again, I think it's moreso the latter because gaslighting and positive sounding PR is always effective for massive corporations.
Asus admitted supply would be affected, but they can play damage control by saying GPU's will continue to ship out, even though there could technically only be a handful of available GPU's as AI companies hoard every type of memory.

Hecate91HUB walking back on this info, or afraid they'll get blacklisted again, I think it's moreso the latter because gaslighting and positive sounding PR is always effective for massive corporations.
Asus admitted supply would be affected, but they can play damage control by saying GPU's will continue to ship out, even though there could technically only be a handful of available GPU's as AI companies hoard every type of memory.

Asus were clearly told by nvidia to do damage control (aka lie) from what hub are saying.

Meh, hopefully the bubble bursts and Nvidia won't have another cash cow and they'll be forced to go back to gamers. Maybe they will try hard again like they did with the 1000 series

Dragam1337They are not giving the gpu's EOL status, but they will be EOL in all but name...

Didn't you wanted to say:

Dragam1337They are not giving the gpu's EOL status, but they will be EOL in name only...

Because the latter is an obvious fact. (The fist statement looks a bit contradicting)

I mean do people who do not see that none of the GPU's of the 50 series can be EOL at the moment live in the Matrix or something? Damn, I'd be afraid to wake up in some slimy bathtub on the 15th floor.

ITdumpsterfireDidn't you wanted to say:



Because the latter is an obvious fact. (The fist statement looks a bit contradicting)

I mean do people who do not see that none of the GPU's of the 50 series can be EOL at the moment live in the Matrix or something? Damn, I'd be afraid to wake up in some slimy bathtub on the 15th floor.

You ought to invest in a grammar course before you attempt to correct other people's grammar.

Dragam1337You ought to invest in a grammar course before you attempt to correct other people's grammar.

I did not correct you. I only asked a question about what you actually meant to say. Now I still don't know. No reason for me to take a grammar course as far as I know, but feel free to point out any of my errors.

Looks like after COVID gamers suffer from some kind of GPU supply chain PTSD if you ask me💣🤣

JediMindTricksMeh, hopefully the bubble bursts and Nvidia won't have another cash cow and they'll be forced to go back to gamers. Maybe they will try hard again like they did with the 1000 series

Or the next thing could be selling everyone except money is no object x90 buyers gaming in the cloud with GFN, since that seems to be the end goal with hardware being priced out of what most can buy, gamers don't need real hardware while Jensen can sell more and more fake frames until all of the frames are AI generated from a remote server.
But hopefully for everyone's sake Nvidia actually tries again, we don't need another 50 series that is just a refresh of the 40 series.

Dr. DroWhy would the overwhelming majority of people need to feel "justified" for the superior products? This is simple projecting. AMD datacenter parts also consume electricity, btw.

The overwhelming majority always feel the need to defend their brand in threads like these, it's sad people fall for such gaslighting.
And thats called a whataboutism,btw. A majority of AI datacenters are using Nvidia hardware, and every company in the AI bubble are passing money back and forth to Jensen.

Dr. DroHaha, with those specs, sure it wasn't. Especially after the obvious pre-launch price cuts.

The specs aren't comparable, apples to oranges, the 7900XTX aligned and was priced to compete with a 4080.
And you can't have "pre-launch" price cuts, the price is what it is at launch.

Dr. DroNatural order of competition

It isn't competition because the 5090 isn't a gaming card, it's an AI card disguised with gamer branding, most cards end up in AI workstations or servers.

Dr. Dro...where exactly am I complaining, though? If it gets too much for my wallet

Nonsense, if $3000-4000 wasn't too much then $5000-6000 for a 6090 wouldn't be, thats akin to a Ferrari buyer complaining about gas prices. Buyers on the extreme end always find an excuse to line up for the latest card.

Dragam1337They are not giving the gpu's EOL status, but they will be EOL in all but name...

You don't know that. It's just your projection, which goes against not only what Nvidia, AICs, and other insider sources say, but common logic too.

This happens because excitable people like yourself like to follow sensationalist, conspiratorial narratives. The fact these also resemble a very basic Hollywood movie template, where good guys are really good and bad guys always really bad, makes it even more addictive. This is what outlets like GN, HU, and others take advantage off and sell you as a product in form of weekly updates.

There are two problems with this approach. The small one is that occasionally stuff will get debunked directly and you'll end up with egg on your face, like in this case. But the real issue is that this constant stream of doomspiracies waters down the possibility of opposition to real issues. When everything is always the worst case scenario and people in threads like these insist that 2+2=5, how can anybody with real grievances be taken seriously?

cinemawareYou don't know that. It's just your projection, which goes against not only what Nvidia, AICs, and other insider sources say, but common logic too.

This happens because excitable people like yourself like to follow sensationalist, conspiratorial narratives. The fact these also resemble a very basic Hollywood movie template, where good guys are really good and bad guys always really bad, makes it even more addictive. This is what outlets like GN, HU, and others take advantage off and sell you as a product in form of weekly updates.

There are two problems with this approach. The small one is that occasionally stuff will get debunked directly and you'll end up with egg on your face, like in this case. But the real issue is that this constant stream of doomspiracies waters down the possibility of opposition to real issues. When everything is always the worst case scenario and people in threads like these insist that 2+2=5, how can anybody with real grievances be taken seriously?

Tell me, how does it go against common logic that nvidia allocates all production to ai, while officially not EOL any of the geforce products... that's right, it doesn't. It's how they make the most money, and keep consumers from getting pissed off - initially anyways.

Hecate91Or the next thing could be selling everyone except money is no object x90 buyers gaming in the cloud with GFN, since that seems to be the end goal with hardware being priced out of what most can buy, gamers don't need real hardware while Jensen can sell more and more fake frames until all of the frames are AI generated from a remote server.
But hopefully for everyone's sake Nvidia actually tries again, we don't need another 50 series that is just a refresh of the 40 series.

The overwhelming majority always feel the need to defend their brand in threads like these, it's sad people fall for such gaslighting.
And thats called a whataboutism,btw. A majority of AI datacenters are using Nvidia hardware, and every company in the AI bubble are passing money back and forth to Jensen.

The specs aren't comparable, apples to oranges, the 7900XTX aligned and was priced to compete with a 4080.
And you can't have "pre-launch" price cuts, the price is what it is at launch.

It isn't competition because the 5090 isn't a gaming card, it's an AI card disguised with gamer branding, most cards end up in AI workstations or servers.

Nonsense, if $3000-4000 wasn't too much then $5000-6000 for a 6090 wouldn't be, thats akin to a Ferrari buyer complaining about gas prices. Buyers on the extreme end always find an excuse to line up for the latest card.

You know I have to confess that I find this way too funny, and it gets even funnier once it derails onto "fake frames and AI" (which has been basically all AMD has released for the past 6 months, provided you have their latest GPU, because if you don't, too bad), quickly degenerating further into the age-old conspiracy about cloud generated fake frames. The hatred of Nvidia runs so deeply that each and every word is tainted with disdain, contempt and a deeply seated rage, it's basically personal, and I'm just here like, haha, wow.

Arguments like these are just the fuel that keeps the mentality going, moving the goalposts and the objectives to distort reality as if it's a matter of life or death. I really wonder what has AMD ever done to earn such a ferociously loyal following, because personally I don't really see why. They make video cards.

Besides, you don't have to upgrade every single generation, especially if your hardware does the job you need it to do. For example, I personally use an iPhone XS and it still does the job for me, even if barely. It's really not rocket science. If you save up, or work a couple of odd jobs every now and then, you can certainly afford to buy a new graphics card every 2-3 years or so, and even if you cannot buy the most expensive, supremely fast model every generation, as long as you alternate generations, you will pretty much have a 2x improvement on the same tier waiting for you (5070 Ti is 2x faster than 3070 Ti, 9070 XT is 2x faster than 6700 XT, etc).

What the crisis does is basically make it very unpleasant to start from scratch or deal with a situation in case your hardware fails for any given reason and you're not covered by warranty.

cinemawareYou don't know that. It's just your projection, which goes against not only what Nvidia, AICs, and other insider sources say, but common logic too.

This happens because excitable people like yourself like to follow sensationalist, conspiratorial narratives. The fact these also resemble a very basic Hollywood movie template, where good guys are really good and bad guys always really bad, makes it even more addictive. This is what outlets like GN, HU, and others take advantage off and sell you as a product in form of weekly updates.

There are two problems with this approach. The small one is that occasionally stuff will get debunked directly and you'll end up with egg on your face, like in this case. But the real issue is that this constant stream of doomspiracies waters down the possibility of opposition to real issues. When everything is always the worst case scenario and people in threads like these insist that 2+2=5, how can anybody with real grievances be taken seriously?

Very good description of "the conspiracy mindset" and the traps that go with it. These I don't deny. Doomspiracies is a new one for me. I think the negative connotation of the word conspiracy is founded enough. There is no need to emphasize the feeling of doom that plotting on a grand scale might generate. I'm not going into a discussion with you over this so I'll leave you with a few questions. Answer them for yourself if you like. At what point in time did conspiracies cease to exist? History has proven they exist, these have been described many times by historians of al ages. If one assumes conspiracies still exist today why can't they be taken into account? No one, I repeat no one, can deny conspiracies as a phenomenon (the plotting of a few against an individual/group of friends/gangs etc) It happens in school classes as an example. As soon as a certain scale of plotting is reached somehow the plotting becomes an impossibility. Now why is that?

Dr. DroYou know I have to confess that I find this way too funny, and it gets even funnier once it derails onto "fake frames and AI" (which has been basically all AMD has released for the past 6 months, provided you have their latest GPU, because if you don't, too bad), quickly degenerating further into the age-old conspiracy about cloud generated fake frames. The hatred of Nvidia runs so deeply that each and every word is tainted with disdain, contempt and a deeply seated rage, it's basically personal, and I'm just here like, haha, wow.

Arguments like these are just the fuel that keeps the mentality going, moving the goalposts and the objectives to distort reality as if it's a matter of life or death. I really wonder what has AMD ever done to earn such a ferociously loyal following, because personally I don't really see why. They make video cards.

Besides, you don't have to upgrade every single generation, especially if your hardware does the job you need it to do. For example, I personally use an iPhone XS and it still does the job for me, even if barely. It's really not rocket science. If you save up, or work a couple of odd jobs every now and then, you can certainly afford to buy a new graphics card every 2-3 years or so, and even if you cannot buy the most expensive, supremely fast model every generation, as long as you alternate generations, you will pretty much have a 2x improvement on the same tier waiting for you (5070 Ti is 2x faster than 3070 Ti, 9070 XT is 2x faster than 6700 XT, etc).

What the crisis does is basically make it very unpleasant to start from scratch or deal with a situation in case your hardware fails for any given reason and you're not covered by warranty.

Wow lots of word to describe a simple thing people don't like to recognize in themselves: Jealously. It's not that AMD is worse than Nvidia technically it's about standards. IT is about standards. Cuda is the standard end of story. Therefore cuda/Nvidia is more compatible with ALL software. That means more stable and faster also. AMD is finnicky Nvidia is not. AMD has improved a lot though. Game addicted and not much money to spend gives a feeling of personal inadequacy that's being projected on their big "underdog" brother AMD. The customers want to be winners too, like AMD "won" from Intel. Team red cries like small children do if big brother AMD doesn't help them with low prices. The game addicted green "team rich" also worship their GPU but obfuscate that phenomenon for themselves while paying absurd prices for a hobby that eats away at the brain every day just as much. How can it not if whole forums and YT channels explode over some minor rumours? It's all part of some kind of half ass virtual class struggle if you ask me 😉 But the rich will end up with more working brain left otherwise they wouldn't be rich in the first place. So in the end nothing changes and in time all will be dependent on Ai for the most rudiment form of thinking. Game over. How's that for a doomspiracy?

cinemawareYou don't know that. It's just your projection, which goes against not only what Nvidia, AICs, and other insider sources say, but common logic too.

This happens because excitable people like yourself like to follow sensationalist, conspiratorial narratives. The fact these also resemble a very basic Hollywood movie template, where good guys are really good and bad guys always really bad, makes it even more addictive. This is what outlets like GN, HU, and others take advantage off and sell you as a product in form of weekly updates.

There are two problems with this approach. The small one is that occasionally stuff will get debunked directly and you'll end up with egg on your face, like in this case. But the real issue is that this constant stream of doomspiracies waters down the possibility of opposition to real issues. When everything is always the worst case scenario and people in threads like these insist that 2+2=5, how can anybody with real grievances be taken seriously?

Oh, right, seeing past gaslighting, lies and shielding for corporations like they've ever done anything for you personally is projection and conspiracies. But "doomspiracies" is definitely a new one.
It's been interesting to see the "doom" label being thrown around by those desperate to cling to their favorite brand as they suddenly realize the corpo doesn't care about gamers anymore, and hasn't one bit since before crypto.
Calling GN and HWUB conspiracy fiction is is just plain laughable, calling out dirty tactics from companies not even hiding the fact they're screwing over the end consumer anymore isn't attractive,I get it, everything has to be sunshine and roses for those who chase every last frame, because games can't just be for fun anymore. Gaming itself got turned into Hollywood production nonsense where AAAAAAAAA game devs love to brag how many millions they spent on developing some game, then it launches as a buggy mess or looks worse than some games did 10 years ago. And because people keep buying $80 GaaS slop, a lot of popular newer titles also require the latest GPU with upscaling and fake frames to play at anything more than a slideshow. Indie tites and older games is where the real fun is, no need to worry about system requirements because games used to be optimized.

Anyway, nothing got debunked, it's called damage control, Asus was forced to change their statement because it would've made Nvidia look bad for actually EOL'ing everything but the low end and high end.
We'll see if anything got debunked in the next few months if 16GB cards start to mysteriously go out of stock from retailers.

ITdumpsterfireWow lots of word to describe a simple thing people don't like to recognize in themselves: Jealously. It's not that AMD is worse than Nvidia technically it's about standards. IT is about standards. Cuda is the standard end of story. Therefore cuda/Nvidia is more compatible with ALL software. That means more stable and faster also. AMD is finnicky Nvidia is not. AMD has improved a lot though. Fake video servers do exist but these are not being used in games. In case my AMD GPU fails it goes into the trash and the PSU goes back into the case. Not a single tear will be shed.

IMO, it's not jealously, just simply disappointment of the direction the entire games market is heading, GPU's included, thanks to Nvidia we're all forced to use upscaling and "fake frames" because the focus is on selling software instead of progressing the hardware. Also from an AI company, so Nvidia doesn't have to care much about the gaming market, as we've seen with missing ROPs, rough drivers at launch, a disaster of a power connector, and lower end cards still having 8GB VRAM.
Nvidia has the standard for CUDA and RT, but the fact it's proprietary isn't good for the market, when one company has the monopoly over a standard, we don't get any chance of seeing if someone else has a better standard, although FSR4 is a massive improvment, and XeSS is decent but not even Intel can make a decent break into the GPU market.
I went from always owning Nvidia cards, to finally giving AMD a chance, having a reliable power connector, not needing afterburner or needing to sign into a control panel app is less finicky to me, but to each their own. I usually vote with my wallet against scummy companies, and yes I know my money doesn't matter however I'd rather not give anything to a company that will gaslight and decieve consumers.

Hecate91reliable power connector

Don't get me started🤣 Suddenly it proofed very difficult to calculate how much current goes through those wires? Endless chatter followed.. I updated the text in the meantime. I did my best to explain the green-red supposed GPU war a bit. At this point cold turkey off gaming might be the only solution.

Hilux SSRGShame on all the Nvidiots who bought Nvidia graphics cards rather than AMD or Intel when you had an option and they were price competitive/feature similar. Reap what you sow from your overlords.

Note this AI boom does not help but still...

Believe it or not, but I actually did just that for a long time now. AMD's got nobody to blame but itself, and I hope Intel eats it's lunch and launches more competitive products.

Dr. DroEven this singular percent is actually amounts to a couple million units, so people are indeed using Intel dGPUs. I wish they could shift more, but that bun still needs to stay a little more time in the oven. They just need to stay the course, keep investing, and their breakthrough will happen in due time. As long as they don't self-own like AMD has the habit of doing.

I really hope they actually do this, but them killing rentable units and cutting innovation is really concerning. I hope the GPU division can stay isolated from all that and make good products, it's thanks to them that Panther Lake is a total bombshell. If only Intel allowed ECC RAM to be used on their non-workstation chipsets...

As they said, they don't have to beat NVIDIA's GPUs, they've just gotta beat AMD's LOL

Hecate91An RDNA4 card performing like a 5090 selling for less than $2000 would be an amazing deal, given how 5090's are selling for $5,000.

LMAO, that's exactly what AMD copers said about the 7900 XTX when it was priced $200 below a 4080. Both were terribly overpriced, but the 7900 XTX did have 24GB of VRAM going for it.

Hecate91A few million units of Arc GPU's isn't bad, certainly enough for several brands to offer sales, along with dedicated AIB partners like Sparkle.
Although long term support would be uncertain now that Intel is partnering up with Nvidia.

I agree, it's very worrying. If I had to guess, something they might do is use their NVIDIA partnership to compete with AMD's higher end APUs.

Hecate91Anyone complaninig about "competition" or "performance" but handing over the wallet anyway has no room to complain about the lack of competition especially when they've contributed to creating the storm.

Make products I both want to buy and can buy in confidence and I'll buy them. When I buy a product, I think about what it can do FOR ME, not what I can do for the company selling it. Luckily I've owned GPUs from all three companies so I can complain as loud as I want, I'm a competitionpilled complainmaxxxer

Hecate91disappointment of the direction the entire games market is heading

That's for sure.

Hecate91I'd rather not give anything to a company that will gaslight and decieve consumers.

Sure but gaslighting is a big thing in marketing nowadays and no one wants to stay behind.