Friday, July 3rd 2026

Intel Readies Two 22-Core "Nova Lake-S" SKUs with 108 MB bLLC Cache for Gaming

According to well-known Intel leaker Jaykihn, Intel is preparing two "Nova Lake-S" CPU models with a 22-core configuration, enhanced by the big Last Level Cache (bLLC). These processors are part of the Core Ultra 5 400S family, and Intel is developing two mid-range configurations, each with 22 cores. Both models will feature 6 "Coyote Cove" P-Cores, 12 "Arctic Wolf" E-Cores, and 4 LPE-Cores. This design includes a single compute die aimed at mid-range gaming rigs. Alongside the 22 cores, Intel plans to add an extra 108 MB of bLLC cache to boost gaming performance, similar to AMD's approach with its Ryzen X3D gaming CPUs, which currently lead in gaming performance. Intel aims to match raw CPU compute power with newer CPU cores and use bLLC to improve latency-sensitive tasks like gaming. The only difference between the two new models is that one is an unlocked 125 W TDP version, part of the "K" overclockable family, while the other is a 65 W base TDP model.

Recently, it has been observed that Intel's upcoming Z9x0 platform for "Nova Lake-S" will support up to 52 cores in a single LGA-1954 socket. Some early rumors suggest a PL2 power draw of 474 W, which is a significant increase over previous designs. This is understandable, considering that the design brings workstation-like core counts into the consumer sector for the first time. Regarding the socket, Intel's LGA-1954 has been pictured with a 2-lever independent loading mechanism (ILM), similar to what Intel's HEDT sector uses. This is typically reserved for larger CPU packages, and with the pin count now nearing 2,000 socket pins, it is a necessary choice for Intel. Importantly, the first "Nova Lake-S" CPU SKUs are scheduled for release in just a few months, likely leading to more rumors as we approach the final launch.
Source: Jaykihn on X
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#126
N/A
tsurugiSMT is typical, which can cause resource competition issues. The OS recognizes threads rather than physical cores.
For the os, p core, e core, and smt threads are just execution tools for tasks. And unless you disable smt and only use physical cores, it is impossible to get identical processing power. Increasing concurrency with different processing powers (e core or smt) is usually faster rather than slower, because modern software designed for concurrency can handle concurrency very well.

This looks like a driver issue. If you can clearly pinpoint that the problem originates from the nvidia driver, threads are within processes, and the cpu's physical threads and logical threads are just execution tools for OS threads—the two are not the same concept. It seems difficult to map this to a p/e hybrid core issue.
When all cores have exactly the same set of instructions, the scheduler can't make a mistake. Now it's just reordering and confusion, first gen the LPE cores were last, then the checkerboards. I don't want the NVIDIA driver to randomly end up on a slower core and it's a gamble. With the unified core, all of this disappears, although a 5.5 GHz hyperthread is equivalent to a 3.5 GHz core, so now the atom up to 5.0 is faster.
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#127
tsurugi
N/AWhen all cores have exactly the same set of instructions, the scheduler can't make a mistake. Now it's just reordering and confusion, first gen the LPE cores were last, then the checkerboards. I don't want the NVIDIA driver to randomly end up on a slower core and it's a gamble. With the unified core, all of this disappears, although a 5.5 GHz hyperthread is equivalent to a 3.5 GHz core, so now the atom up to 5.0 is faster.
they have the same instruction set, The E-core lacks AVX-512, and the P-core has AVX-512 disabled for this reason. In Nova Lake, all cores can run AVX10.
You must explain whether this situation of the Nvidia driver running on E-cores actually happened, how to observe it, and what problems it would cause. The driver is located at the underlying level with extremely low performance overhead, so it is even less likely to cause any performance issues. The physical layout of the CPU also has no impact on OS scheduling, unless the program explicitly specifies calling CPU 0, 1, 2, 3, but this process generally does not require program intervention and is determined by the OS.
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#128
Sol_Badguy
Yooo my people!

Some of these arguments about idle power draw hint at some confusion going on.
tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-9950x3d2-dual-edition/images/power-idle.png
That chart right there is full system power draw at idle (read the explanation).
Measured at the wall socket (230 V) so it's not the actual power draw of the system but what the PSU is pulling from the wall socket.

The values in the chart must be multiplied by the PSU's efficiency at that load.
The TT GF3 1200 PSU would be in the green zone (85-90%) for the higher values (like 7950X) but it could end up in the orange zone (80-85%) for the lower values (like 14700K).
www.cybenetics.com/photos/models/230/2073_2.jpg
Let's say it's 87% for a 7950X and 83% for the 14700K, then 118 W from the wall means 102.7 W for the AMD system and 86 W from the wall means 71.4 W for the Intel system.

Also keep in mind that the test setup isn't favoring AMD for idle power draw because the mobo is X870E, it has two chipsets compared to one for Z790 and Z890. The power consumption for Z790 and Z890 chipsets is given as 6 W while one PROM21 chipset has 7 W.
So every little bit adds up.
I am honestly expecting idle numbers to be significantly different (lower) using a B850/X870 mobo.

Also memory speed affects idle power draw.
www.techpowerup.com/review/ddr5-memory-performance-scaling-with-amd-zen-5/3.html
Same for Intel (6000 vs 8800):
tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-ultra-7-270k-plus/images/power-idle.png

These charts have CPU only idle numbers:
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From here and here.

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Regarding Nova Lake's idle power draw the addition of the 4 LPE cores on the SoC tile hints at optimization. The compute tile gets deactivated thus the potential for low idle power is very high. Intel is definitely playing the bipolar game, where idle is optimized for low power and active state is optimized for maximum performance aka Raptor Lake time! 🥵
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#129
AusWolf
JustBenchingMaybe we are all confused and have different meanings of idle. What I mean by idle is very low load tasks like browsing, excel spreadsheets and stuff like that. For example my normal job involves a lot of web tabs, a lot of excel sheets and running a bunch of accounting programs (which are super lightweight, they just burden the server where the databases are on). Those are all lightweight tasks, and in a normal workday doing these 12900k is usually averaging 8 watts. The 9800x 3d for the month I had it doing the same tasks was averaging a bit under 40. I'd assume the 9700x would do similarlyish.
Do you do that on your home PC? If so, you're looking at £2.5 a month (£30 a year) at UK energy prices. Nothing to write home about. Chances are, you already spent way more than that on your high end parts.

With AMD, idle power depends on your RAM speed, IF speed and SoC voltage. Every single AM5 CPU I've had idled at 15-ish W with 4800 MHz RAM and 1 VSoC, and at 25-ish W with 6000 MHz and 1.2 V.
JustBenchingNow is that a huge difference? No, not really. But the difference in gaming power draw isn't that much different either. Actually in gaming the difference is much smaller as a percentage of your total power one PC will be drawing 465w (270k + a 300w gpu + rest components) and the other one 420w (9700x + 300w gpu + rest). That's a 10% difference. On the other hand in idle lower power workloads the difference is ~60w vs ~90+w. That's 33% more.


Note that the 7800X3D eats a lot less power than the 9800X3D.

Sure, it's not a massive difference for the whole system, but it can mean something for your temperatures. Now, luckily, Intel is much easier to cool, so in this example, it's pretty much equal to AMD:

iameatingjamWhen it comes to the 7800x3d. Say whatever you want.... in a thread about amd or x3d cpus, or gaming in general, or really any thread that isn't specifically about an intel launch.

The things aren't even out yet and people are already making up their minds on them. And with that chart... I've seen 7800x3ds use more power than that doing absolutely nothing.
I thought we were talking about efficiency in general. It's not easy to call a CPU efficient without comparing it to something else.

Anyway, I don't have any assumptions of the new Intel CPU. I'll see how it does when the review comes out.
BoggledBeagleIt does, depending on performance on your AC you typically need about a third of power to get rid of a given amount of heat. 20W of unnecessary heat load means about additional 6W needed by AC.
So another maybe £0.80 a month? That's definitely gonna break the bank (and I don't have AC, but that's besides the point).
BoggledBeagleBTW I am very unhappy that my GPU idles at 30W just because I have two monitors hooked to it. With one 60 Hz 4K display it idles at 17W and with a gaming monitor added it sucks 30W. One may argue, that it is not idling, but running two monitors and displaying 2D content, but it still does not feel OK.
Either that, or a single monitor. You choose.
BoggledBeagleIt does not work like when the computer stops idling, it stops drawing idle power. Idle power always adds up on top of what are you doing, it is always wasted energy and money.
That's a valid argument if load power is equal. But it's not. Look at the diagrams above.
If a CPU idles at 25 W, and consumes another 20 W at load, it's gonna run more economically than one that idles at 10 W, but consumes 60 W more at load.
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#130
RinSenpai
AusWolfWhy would you run idle for 8 hours a day? Unless your job is editing documents from home because you're a writer or something, or tech support, then your point is valid. But even then, that 60 kWh a year is about £30 in the ever so expensive UK, which is £2.5 a month. Not exactly a buying criterion, imo.
Yet that's exactly the point AMD fanboys brought up and turned in literally every single way possible to always put the argument in their favor everytime, going to extents as far as lying if necessary. AMD on laptops was the same debate and I found out on my own how reviewers and fanboys all lied to promote battery life on AMD laptops, when it just doesn't make a difference on 60Wh batteries and below because of power deperdition and compensation in smaller batteries.
AMD isn't dumb and that's the lesser of their concerns right now, but AMD fanboys will still protect them because now it's about "X3D" which doesn't make a difference on laptops the moment you have a QHD display.

Btw, if I ever try to game on battery on my current Ryzen-based laptop, I'm burning through the battery in less than a single hour with a full charge despite CPU "sipping" 20W, dGPU sitting at 10W, playing at 60Hz and lowest brightness. Even the effects of a smaller battery size doesn't explain that phenomenon. I should maybe try that on my i5-7300HQ laptop as well, it's turning 10 next year and it's still functional.

For what I care, I'll buy the best compromise of either Zen6 or Nova Lake bLLC if within my budget, but my priority is sound/global latency (which my 2 Ryzen-based laptops sucks/sucked at, even with the best SODIMM DDR4 kit specs I could get) and core count (because I play games which can use them all, regardless of their type).
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#131
AusWolf
RinSenpaiYet that's exactly the point AMD fanboys brought up and turned in literally every single way possible to always put the argument in their favor everytime, going to extents as far as lying if necessary. AMD on laptops was the same debate and I found out on my own how reviewers and fanboys all lied to promote battery life on AMD laptops, when it just doesn't make a difference on 60Wh batteries and below because of power deperdition and compensation in smaller batteries.
AMD isn't dumb and that's the lesser of their concerns right now, but AMD fanboys will still protect them because now it's about "X3D" which doesn't make a difference on laptops the moment you have a QHD display.

Btw, if I ever try to game on battery on my current Ryzen-based laptop, I'm burning through the battery in less than a single hour with a full charge despite CPU "sipping" 20W, dGPU sitting at 10W, playing at 60Hz and lowest brightness. Even the effects of a smaller battery size doesn't explain that phenomenon. I should maybe try that on my i5-7300HQ laptop as well, it's turning 10 next year and it's still functional.

For what I care, I'll buy the best compromise of either Zen6 or Nova Lake bLLC if within my budget, but my priority is sound/global latency (which my 2 Ryzen-based laptops sucks/sucked at, even with the best SODIMM DDR4 kit specs I could get) and core count (because I play games which can use them all, regardless of their type).
Sure, idle power matters a lot on a laptop. I never said otherwise. But for a desktop, it's a pointless argument.
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#132
BoggledBeagle
AusWolfSure, idle power matters a lot on a laptop. I never said otherwise. But for a desktop, it's a pointless argument.
No, it is not. Nobody wants to burn money with no reason, even you do not, but somehow you refuse to admit it.

I got curious and just tested how my system with one of the most powerful desktop CPUs available - 24 core 270K at stock settings and 5080 at stock settings (no undervolting, frequency limiting) behaves - with one 4K 60 Hz monitor hooked up.

IDLE: Total system power draw from the wall: 60W, and that includes three 4TB SSDs, 6800 MT/s memory (again stock). CPU 12W, GPU 16W.
Youtube video playback at 1080p: system 69W, CPU 15W, GPU 20W.



I would like to see, what a STOCK AMD system with their most powerful desktop CPU draws idle and playing a youtube video.

So for me I established some baseline what a well specced system needs to draw idle and with very light load and anything above it is a waste of energy.
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#133
AusWolf
BoggledBeagleNo, it is not. Nobody wants to burn money with no reason, even you do not, but somehow you refuse to admit it.

I got curious and just tested how my system with one of the most powerful desktop CPUs available - 24 core 270K at stock settings and 5080 at stock settings (no undervolting, frequency limiting) behaves - with one 4K 60 Hz monitor hooked up.

IDLE: Total system power draw from the wall: 60W, and that includes three 4TB SSDs, 6800 MT/s memory (again stock). CPU 12W, GPU 16W.
Youtube video playback at 1080p: system 69W, CPU 15W, GPU 20W.



I would like to see, what a STOCK AMD system with their most powerful desktop CPU draws idle and playing a youtube video.
Wasn't it you who said the difference on a computer that idles 8 hours a day is 60 kWh a year? Dude, that's £30. You easily claw that back, and more, on efficiency at load. Why do you keep arguing about peanuts?
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#134
BoggledBeagle
AusWolfYou easily claw that back, and more, on efficiency at load.
Efficiency at load compared to stock settings? And what if I do not want to undervolt? I believe that undervolting is a bad practise. I can only limit power draw, which I already did with the CPU because of the cooler I am using at the moment. BTW 5080 I believe is the most efficient GPU on the market.
AusWolfWhy do you keep arguing about peanuts?
A waste is a waste. No matter how small the waste is, it is still a waste. I think everybody can agree to this.

I hope that Intel tunes the new CPUs well for light loads.
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#135
AusWolf
BoggledBeagleEfficiency at load compared to stock settings? And what if I do not want to undervolt? I believe that undervolting is a bad practise. I can only limit power draw, which I already did with the CPU because of the cooler I am using at the moment. BTW 5080 I believe is the most efficient GPU on the market.
Yes at stock. If a CPU consumes 50-100 W less at high load than another one, then it doesn't matter if it eats 10 W more at idle, right?

I never suggested undervolting, and I never will.
BoggledBeagleA waste is a waste. No matter how small the waste is, it is still a waste. I think everybody can agree to this.

I hope that Intel tunes the new CPUs well for light loads.
See my above example. Arguing about a few W at idle while ignoring power at high load is what we call "penny wise, pound stupid" here in England.
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#136
Hecate91
I don't like waste either which is why I prefer a platform that doesn't require throwing away the motherboard every time a new CPU gets launched. $400 on a new board is a lot more spent than a few $ in electricity per year.
A few watts on idle is nothing, if I'm not doing anything the PC gets turned off, power draw at load is a more valid concern IMO.
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#137
BoggledBeagle
AusWolfArguing about a few W at idle while ignoring power at high load is what we call "penny wise, pound stupid" here in England.
Well my 270K draws 60-80W in modern games with my 5080, which itself is power efficient. So even using your argument I think I can care about idle/light load power draw.
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#138
AusWolf
BoggledBeagleWell my 270K draws 60-80W in modern games with my 5080, which itself is power efficient. So even using your argument I think I can care about idle/light load power draw.
And the 7800X3D consumes about 40-50. Since you keep arguing about peanuts, I thought you cared.
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#139
Dr. Dro
Vayra86Of course not

We are in CPU limbo and this Intel part is old news on release. It ain't gonna be notable faster, certainly not more energy efficient, as a gaming chip, and definitely not both at the same time.

next!
Almost nihilistic take on it, I said probably not considering gaming performance but Nova Lake will be massive. It will certainly be faster than Zen 5 could ever hope to be and when I say Zen 5 I specifically mean the 9950X3D2

When I upgraded from AM4, the 13900KS easily doubled performance over the 5950X, Nova Lake will be that type of upgrade
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#140
BoggledBeagle
AusWolfAnd the 7800X3D consumes about 40-50. Since you keep arguing about peanuts, I thought you cared.
I do not care about 8 core CPUs at all, they are very weak (my CPU has more than double MT performance) and they would not bring me any significant advantage in gaming either, because I am GPU limited (not using 5090 at 1080p).

AMD now selling weak and very expensive 8 core CPUs for long years is in my eyes the same as Intel selling 4 core CPUs in the past. Not very impressive and commendable.
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#141
AusWolf
BoggledBeagleI do not care about 8 core CPUs at all, they are very weak (my CPU has more than double MT performance) and they would not bring me any significant advantage in gaming either, because I am GPU limited (not using 5090 at 1080p).
That is your individual use case which doesn't invalidate my point.
BoggledBeagleAMD now selling weak and very expensive 8 core CPUs for long years is in my eyes the same as Intel selling 4 core CPUs in the past. Not very impressive and commendable.
I'd rather have 8 full cores than a mixed core situation that requires software scheduling. But again, personal preference.
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#142
RinSenpai
AusWolfI'd rather have 8 full cores than a mixed core situation that requires software scheduling. But again, personal preference.
Lots of software don't really care about mixed cores. Worst case scenario : software doesn't use them.
But I'm pretty sure most software just see cores/threads and throw everything they have at them, in which case it's still accelerated but not double the performance.
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I still prefer having 12+ cores regardless of them being mixed or not, rather than 8 cores with more cache. I don't really benefit from cache despite gaming intensely on some games and I pay less than half the price of X3D for more cores with similar IPC. I'm also already heavily CPU limited in the very few games I play with a 6-core CPU to the point I may just play at 1440p or 4K without even using DLSS or any upscaler on a 3060 Laptop GPU and barely lose any fps due to the CPU limitation being so huge.
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#143
Dr. Dro
AusWolfI'd rather have 8 full cores than a mixed core situation that requires software scheduling. But again, personal preference.
May I present the Intel Thread Director, which does this job before the OS is even aware of it
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#144
JustBenching
AusWolfDo you do that on your home PC? If so, you're looking at £2.5 a month (£30 a year) at UK energy prices. Nothing to write home about. Chances are, you already spent way more than that on your high end parts.
Well not anymore cause i retired, but yes I worked from home 2 - 3 days a week.

It's not about the cost as such, you are acting like we should be throwing cans of soda down the drain cause it's only 30 pounds a year...
BoggledBeagleNo, it is not. Nobody wants to burn money with no reason, even you do not, but somehow you refuse to admit it.

I got curious and just tested how my system with one of the most powerful desktop CPUs available - 24 core 270K at stock settings and 5080 at stock settings (no undervolting, frequency limiting) behaves - with one 4K 60 Hz monitor hooked up.

IDLE: Total system power draw from the wall: 60W, and that includes three 4TB SSDs, 6800 MT/s memory (again stock). CPU 12W, GPU 16W.
Youtube video playback at 1080p: system 69W, CPU 15W, GPU 20W.



I would like to see, what a STOCK AMD system with their most powerful desktop CPU draws idle and playing a youtube video.

So for me I established some baseline what a well specced system needs to draw idle and with very light load and anything above it is a waste of energy.
A 7950x on its own hits ~70w just scrolling youtube comments. Kid you not, hit the scroll wheel on youtube ---> 70 watts. My brother was crying about it and replaced it with a 285k :D
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#145
maximumterror
RinSenpaiLots of software don't really care about mixed cores. Worst case scenario : software doesn't use them.
But I'm pretty sure most software just see cores/threads and throw everything they have at them, in which case it's still accelerated but not double the performance.
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I still prefer having 12+ cores regardless of them being mixed or not, rather than 8 cores with more cache. I don't really benefit from cache despite gaming intensely on some games and I pay less than half the price of X3D for more cores with similar IPC. I'm also already heavily CPU limited in the very few games I play with a 6-core CPU to the point I may just play at 1440p or 4K without even using DLSS or any upscaler on a 3060 Laptop GPU and barely lose any fps due to the CPU limitation being so huge.
12 normal cores are super efficient and stable for gaming, 8 is optimal. 12 gives better thread allocation, lower latency, more stable frametime, better multitasking. E cores have too weak IPC, which does not help gaming at all, and vice versa, low IPC causes micro-stutter, lower FPS
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#146
Makaveli
Alot of back and forth about power consumption but not alot of talk about location and how much you actually pay for power which is just as important.

In Canada you really only need AC 3 months out of the year the other 9 months its cold enough.

And where I live
  • Off-Peak (9.8¢ / kWh): Weekdays from 7 p.m. to 7 a.m., plus all day on weekends and statutory holidays.
  • Mid-Peak (15.7¢ / kWh): Weekdays from 7 a.m. to 11 a.m. and 5 p.m. to 7 p.m.
  • On-Peak (20.3¢ / kWh): Weekdays from 11 a.m. to 5 p.m.
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#147
AusWolf
Dr. DroMay I present the Intel Thread Director, which does this job before the OS is even aware of it
What if it misses? No, thank you.
JustBenchingWell not anymore cause i retired, but yes I worked from home 2 - 3 days a week.

It's not about the cost as such, you are acting like we should be throwing cans of soda down the drain cause it's only 30 pounds a year...
It's not like you're not getting anything in return. I've got a CPU that more than fits my needs on a platform that will be supported for a while.

So no, you're not pouring that soda down the drain. You're exchanging it for a chocolate bar.
JustBenchingA 7950x on its own hits ~70w just scrolling youtube comments. Kid you not, hit the scroll wheel on youtube ---> 70 watts. My brother was crying about it and replaced it with a 285k :D
He encountered a few milliseconds of boost while the web page loaded something. Wow, that's unacceptable. I'm sure it increased his temperatures and his electricity bill tremendously. ;)

Not to mention the 7950X is not the CPU you're looking for if you want maximum efficiency.
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#148
Dr. Dro
AusWolfWhat if it misses? No, thank you.
It does not miss, in fact, it can't miss, the OS has the final word
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#149
Hecate91
JustBenchingWell not anymore cause i retired, but yes I worked from home 2 - 3 days a week.

It's not about the cost as such, you are acting like we should be throwing cans of soda down the drain cause it's only 30 pounds a year...
You're not saving anything compared to the cost spent on high end PC parts, also when a high end GPU is the most power hungry part.
Or I can have water instead, which is healthier and nearly free, well at least until the AI overlords pollute it all with datacenters. The soda analogy makes no sense, but you're trading soda for throwing food away instead, much more expensive to constantly exchange parts being worried about a few watts on idle.
JustBenchingA 7950x on its own hits ~70w just scrolling youtube comments. Kid you not, hit the scroll wheel on youtube ---> 70 watts. My brother was crying about it and replaced it with a 285k :D
The power consumption from TPU's own testing measured at the wall is minuscule, he spent hundreds more on a platform that won't last as long to save a few cents on the power bill.
www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9850x3d/22.html
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#150
Jism
This whole argument about an X3D chip consuming, "more" at idle. Please look into the tech, as that additional cache needs to be powered on all the time.

Treadrippers have an absurd high idle power consumption as well. My 5950X has a 45W idle power; that's completely normal for the dual CCD / 64MB cache.
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