Tuesday, September 5th 2017
Intel Skylake-X HCC CPU Delidded by Der8auer, also not Soldered
Overclocking poster-boy Der8auer has seemingly gotten his hands on some early samples of Intel's Skylake-X high core count (HCC)HEDT CPUs. The upcoming 12 to 18-core enthusiast-class CPUs are being launched on the same X299 platform on socket LGA 2066 that Intel has already launched 4 (Kaby Lake-X), 6, 8 and 10-core parts already, and are supposed to bring Intel towards a level playing field - and then some - with competitor AMD's Threadripper CPUs, which boast of up to 16 cores.
From this delidding process with Der8auer's own delidding tool, Delid-Die-Mate-X, seems to result a die that is much larger - as expected - than Intel's 10-core i9-7900X. At the same time, it seems that Intel is still opting, again, for not soldering its enthusiast-targeted CPUs, which would result in better temperatures and, potentially, overclocking potential. The fact that Der8auer managed to delid the i9-7920X and didn't recommend against doing it likely means that there is minimal risk of damaging your CPU while subjecting it to this process. This is something the renowned overclocker did do when he recommended that users shouldn't delid their Ryzen or Threadripper CPUs looking for better temperatures, since the fact that these were soldered would likely result in both catastrophic damage and a much diminished chance of operating temperatures improvement through the application of special purpose thermal compounds. The Facebook post from Der8auer with the delidded 7920X likely serves as an appetizer for an upcoming delid video on YouTube, as has been the overclocker's MO.
Sources:
Der8auer's Facebook, via Overclock 3D
From this delidding process with Der8auer's own delidding tool, Delid-Die-Mate-X, seems to result a die that is much larger - as expected - than Intel's 10-core i9-7900X. At the same time, it seems that Intel is still opting, again, for not soldering its enthusiast-targeted CPUs, which would result in better temperatures and, potentially, overclocking potential. The fact that Der8auer managed to delid the i9-7920X and didn't recommend against doing it likely means that there is minimal risk of damaging your CPU while subjecting it to this process. This is something the renowned overclocker did do when he recommended that users shouldn't delid their Ryzen or Threadripper CPUs looking for better temperatures, since the fact that these were soldered would likely result in both catastrophic damage and a much diminished chance of operating temperatures improvement through the application of special purpose thermal compounds. The Facebook post from Der8auer with the delidded 7920X likely serves as an appetizer for an upcoming delid video on YouTube, as has been the overclocker's MO.
171 Comments on Intel Skylake-X HCC CPU Delidded by Der8auer, also not Soldered
I require AVX at the same speed for what I use my PC for at times, so I have no negative offset and a relatively high voltage and low speed. I would guess based on your given settings that your chip is only pulling 185W-225W. How much is the offset from "tJ" core readings to "CPU" readings? Plus or minus? My "CPU" reads about 5c higher than the highest core... if yours is @ like 8c or something, that throttle you are seeing might just be PROGRAMMED in, and not really due to ACTUAL temps. Having a clamp-meter giving power use over the 8-pin is really eye-opening, personally. Reading full system power consumption from the wall isn't specific enough.
Dumb I know. :laugh:
I plan on getting a 7920x once asus releases their apex board but I fear it will be slower then my current 6900k@4.5GHz.
And yeah, that's how I ended up at this clock and voltage; I can actually run 4.6 GHz @ 1.2V perfectly fine but AVX, man, is it hard on these chips. Some boards offer offset for the TYPE of AVX, too, which is nice, so that might be something that interests you; not sure.
Yes, the gap is definitely important - but anything reducing the heat transfer on such a small area drastically affects the maximum heat transfer.
This is a non issue for normal use of the chips, but these extreme CPU's (K chips, HEDT) really should cater to the enthusiasts... since that is their target market after all.
Back to topic. I assume liquid metal plus deliding service might be super popular. We might even see some modded 7980XE on flea bay with liquid metal resealed in.
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48 cores for 1200usd on 2200mhz(write2,1but is always bit more) this ES xeon is it booth "cpu king" rit-reaper and it work on some cheap x99 asrock with ecc ddr4 memo
i have ES xeons witch work 5+ years 24/7/365 100%load or newer x5xeons on avx prime finders or other apps and i7 920 witch work now 7 years on same load..lol soo dont tell me some shh about rma..
i will wait to spring 2018 for more cpus from booth cpu producers .. 18 core will proably king but more expensive as always from intel. epyc will much more expensive,also mobo for epyc. so epyc its pic-out,
mobos for thripper X399 are expensive.. 250usd is enought.. why people need that 600usd asus primeros ?..show me why )) you get same preformance on cheaper
yes intel is one generation behind now and + kicked with glueing" . but amd must work hard becouse they cannot glue more..we dont need cpus like two men hand size )))) next time.. intel is on small process now, just look at this small 24 core, if intel start glueing amd have not chance.. but intll go bit other way .. also bigger cores and more sockets on mobos
more on serverhome..
Like are you trying to imply that these HEDT CPUs are ONLY for enthusiasts? Then why are they priced at levels that most cannot afford?
I feel what you said is like saying that only enthusiasts buy high-end anything. I think, that those that have the money to afford such luxury are often NOT enthusiasts, purely by nature of who and what they are. Intel knows this, so what might seem to you as a snub to enthusiasts is Intel actually meeting the needs of the real people that buy such products, who, to me, clearly aren't enthusiasts.
What I see from most is "I AM ENTHUSIAST!!! I NO LIKE DIS, YOU SUCK, MAKE ME HAPPY!!!" and to me, that's fairly arrogant, because it ignores the rest of the world, who, actually, in this market, are the majority. NOT enthusiasts.
The problem with leaving a trail of crumbs is that the birds get fat and lazy, and then they expect more.even going from 2400 MHz to 2700 MHz can have a significant impact on overall latency. But I found with my CPUs that there can be quite diminishing returns as you clock it up. You really need to see the change in power consumption over 8-pin from stock to manual settings that are exactly the same.
Sadly though, you'll find many of those cars that are priced that high, do have many such "inferior" parts. Especially in the interior. Once again car analogy fails to meet the needs for the PC market.
BTW, you might not be able to buy pilot sport cup 2 tires at kmart, but those that have money... got it by not spending it on silly things like that in the first place. Most people that buy those cars don't buy them to drive them these days; they are purely for investment. In other words, you buy them to sell them later, at a higher price. You can't do that with PCs... only on launches when supply is limited... but then it gets unlimited. Super and Hyper cars never get "unlimited" in numbers, which is why such analogies fail.
Do you see where I am going? That pick-up, does it come with steal wheels, or aluminum? Did you have to pay extra to get a color other than white, black or grey?
There are no Ferraris in the PC world.