Tuesday, September 5th 2017
Intel Skylake-X HCC CPU Delidded by Der8auer, also not Soldered
Overclocking poster-boy Der8auer has seemingly gotten his hands on some early samples of Intel's Skylake-X high core count (HCC)HEDT CPUs. The upcoming 12 to 18-core enthusiast-class CPUs are being launched on the same X299 platform on socket LGA 2066 that Intel has already launched 4 (Kaby Lake-X), 6, 8 and 10-core parts already, and are supposed to bring Intel towards a level playing field - and then some - with competitor AMD's Threadripper CPUs, which boast of up to 16 cores.
From this delidding process with Der8auer's own delidding tool, Delid-Die-Mate-X, seems to result a die that is much larger - as expected - than Intel's 10-core i9-7900X. At the same time, it seems that Intel is still opting, again, for not soldering its enthusiast-targeted CPUs, which would result in better temperatures and, potentially, overclocking potential. The fact that Der8auer managed to delid the i9-7920X and didn't recommend against doing it likely means that there is minimal risk of damaging your CPU while subjecting it to this process. This is something the renowned overclocker did do when he recommended that users shouldn't delid their Ryzen or Threadripper CPUs looking for better temperatures, since the fact that these were soldered would likely result in both catastrophic damage and a much diminished chance of operating temperatures improvement through the application of special purpose thermal compounds. The Facebook post from Der8auer with the delidded 7920X likely serves as an appetizer for an upcoming delid video on YouTube, as has been the overclocker's MO.
Sources:
Der8auer's Facebook, via Overclock 3D
From this delidding process with Der8auer's own delidding tool, Delid-Die-Mate-X, seems to result a die that is much larger - as expected - than Intel's 10-core i9-7900X. At the same time, it seems that Intel is still opting, again, for not soldering its enthusiast-targeted CPUs, which would result in better temperatures and, potentially, overclocking potential. The fact that Der8auer managed to delid the i9-7920X and didn't recommend against doing it likely means that there is minimal risk of damaging your CPU while subjecting it to this process. This is something the renowned overclocker did do when he recommended that users shouldn't delid their Ryzen or Threadripper CPUs looking for better temperatures, since the fact that these were soldered would likely result in both catastrophic damage and a much diminished chance of operating temperatures improvement through the application of special purpose thermal compounds. The Facebook post from Der8auer with the delidded 7920X likely serves as an appetizer for an upcoming delid video on YouTube, as has been the overclocker's MO.
171 Comments on Intel Skylake-X HCC CPU Delidded by Der8auer, also not Soldered
One sample i5 4690K
Source for graphs: KitGuru
Its the same everywhere. Intel has been clock bumping the same junk for years now, and they stick a K on some of their chips to cater to a small percent of the market that wants to tinker with it - and they let them pay a premium for it which, combined with the required cooling solution, makes the net perf/dollar metric worse than any of their non-K options - the only gain you can extract is absolute performance. Nvidia: GPU Boost 3.0 eats almost all the headroom that's left in there at a given power target - its so horribly efficient at it, that it even has a positive effect on the perf/watt, and the AIBs then push the base clock a bit further, and we PAY for that OC being done for us.
Its so ironic really, TIM is the least of our problems when it comes to overclocking. Especially because those that really want the last 1% of performance are doing the delid anyway, solving the problem themselves. The rest of the world just wants someone else to do the work for them.
The whole thing is blown way out of proportion.
They easily reach past their boost and many past 5ghz (7700k/7740k) with good cooling. AMD doesnt get past their own boost. If intel is at the limit, you must feel amd is past its limit?
7900x will overclock 1 ghz and then some...Its my point as well...not sure why you brought the p3 up if you agreed. Seemed contrary.
Edit: i get you now... yeah. My reply to that is simply anyone can find a rare use case to disprove anything. :)
Seems we also have a different definition of what 'far better cooling than your average person would ever think of' is too. Many 7700K/7740K will reach 5GHz+ with an AIO. Many average people use AIOs these days. :)
Hell, the 4.5GHz on my 7900X, a 1.2GHz overclock from base, I can cool with an AIO............ on that 'less than optimal' TIM. ;)
I thought that at 5 GHz you needed custom cooling and no AIO would be able handle it.
Look at it this way, back in the days of Ivy Bridge their chips were clocked in the mid-3 GHz range and you were able to get some amazing overclocks out of them. I myself were able to get an extra 1 GHz out of it. Why? Because at the time the chips were clocked lower than what is needed today. Fast forward to today and Intel knows what is needed and already gives it to you in the form of the K chips, pre-overclocked chips. Any more overclocking than Intel has already done for you is completely up to you. Think of the K chips like the pre-overclocked video cards you often see. Yep, already overclocked, anymore overclocking and you risk damage to it.
Check out the job I did yesterday-