Tuesday, September 5th 2017
Intel Skylake-X HCC CPU Delidded by Der8auer, also not Soldered
Overclocking poster-boy Der8auer has seemingly gotten his hands on some early samples of Intel's Skylake-X high core count (HCC)HEDT CPUs. The upcoming 12 to 18-core enthusiast-class CPUs are being launched on the same X299 platform on socket LGA 2066 that Intel has already launched 4 (Kaby Lake-X), 6, 8 and 10-core parts already, and are supposed to bring Intel towards a level playing field - and then some - with competitor AMD's Threadripper CPUs, which boast of up to 16 cores.
From this delidding process with Der8auer's own delidding tool, Delid-Die-Mate-X, seems to result a die that is much larger - as expected - than Intel's 10-core i9-7900X. At the same time, it seems that Intel is still opting, again, for not soldering its enthusiast-targeted CPUs, which would result in better temperatures and, potentially, overclocking potential. The fact that Der8auer managed to delid the i9-7920X and didn't recommend against doing it likely means that there is minimal risk of damaging your CPU while subjecting it to this process. This is something the renowned overclocker did do when he recommended that users shouldn't delid their Ryzen or Threadripper CPUs looking for better temperatures, since the fact that these were soldered would likely result in both catastrophic damage and a much diminished chance of operating temperatures improvement through the application of special purpose thermal compounds. The Facebook post from Der8auer with the delidded 7920X likely serves as an appetizer for an upcoming delid video on YouTube, as has been the overclocker's MO.
Sources:
Der8auer's Facebook, via Overclock 3D
From this delidding process with Der8auer's own delidding tool, Delid-Die-Mate-X, seems to result a die that is much larger - as expected - than Intel's 10-core i9-7900X. At the same time, it seems that Intel is still opting, again, for not soldering its enthusiast-targeted CPUs, which would result in better temperatures and, potentially, overclocking potential. The fact that Der8auer managed to delid the i9-7920X and didn't recommend against doing it likely means that there is minimal risk of damaging your CPU while subjecting it to this process. This is something the renowned overclocker did do when he recommended that users shouldn't delid their Ryzen or Threadripper CPUs looking for better temperatures, since the fact that these were soldered would likely result in both catastrophic damage and a much diminished chance of operating temperatures improvement through the application of special purpose thermal compounds. The Facebook post from Der8auer with the delidded 7920X likely serves as an appetizer for an upcoming delid video on YouTube, as has been the overclocker's MO.
171 Comments on Intel Skylake-X HCC CPU Delidded by Der8auer, also not Soldered
demand is there, so why the F arent they offering a higher priced model that includes it yet
Lets not forget AMD cant even get past its own boost.... with solder. Could you imagine intel with?
1. Those stupid 7600K/7700K remakes on LGA2066
2. No solder on those LCC 2066 SKL-X processors
3. "microtransactions" on X299
4. Coffee Lakes not compatible with 100/200 series motherboards
5. SKL-X HCC's also not soldered
Five "fuck you consumers" so far in 2017, I'm impressed and not in a good way.
I understand that my 250eur CPU has crappy TIM under the IHS, but a 2000eur enthusiast HEDT CPU?
Your background is?
What is however mind boggling is how some people defend these dumb choices and even go as far as to call them "features".
it matters most to the normal overclocker, running ambient cooling, that has limited cooling ability and require the most optimum heat transfer.
tl;dr: The first two words are just lazy pronunciations, while the two last ones mean something entirely different.
Again, a 1.2ghz overclock (3.3 to 4.5ghz) vs 400 mhz (3.6 to 4.0ghz)...tim vs solder. I can reach 4.5 ghz on my purchased retail as well as es cpus too. That is with an h115i. With my custom loop, i can push that to 4.7 or so. Note those are fairly average cpus voltage wise. :)
Lets face it, Intel's already given a very sound explanation for their use of TIM, and it is by NO MEANS a simple process, if you consider this a cost advantage...well... let's say that is highly doubtful. Above all, nobody has backed up that rumor with actual numbers.
Skipping the top performing CPUs 'because no solder'... that's just silly
Note: der8auer is producing a very nice soundbite effect here on TPU right now with this article. Good money for him yo.Look to the left. Did that just for you! Mad Paint Skillz
Shocking.
Meanwhile my board in a ventilated case NOT pushing 2v to my CPU seems to be doing just fine.
Let's put some things in perspective. Vega dissipates up to 300W , what if they used an IHS with TIM ? Dumbest thing ever right ? Well , something like a 7900X gets very close to that figure as well yet they chose to cripple proper heat transfer by using TIM.
Nvidia ditched the IHS altogether on their GPUs some years ago , AMD never used it as far as I know to begin with. And there's a very good reason they did that , this is simply about having proper heat transfer in a chip that's a power hog. Intel chose to do this for obvious reasons : cost , ease of assembly ( Yeah they make billions but what makes you think they still wouldn't aim for maximum profit and cut corner where they can ? )and to limit their chips artificially , all other explanations are total nonsense and I am surprised so many people bite onto them.
As I explained this is about making a chip that can dissipate heat efficiently , and in that regard using an IHS with TIM is simply not optimal. Never was , never will be.