Monday, July 29th 2019

Intel Starts Shipping 10 nm Ice Lake CPUs to OEMs

During its second quarter earnings call, Intel announced that it has started shipping of 10th generation "Core" CPUs to OEMs. Making use of 10 nm lithography, the 10th generation of "Core" CPUs, codenamed Ice Lake, were qualified by OEMs earlier in 2019 in order to be integrated into future products. Ice Lake is on track for holiday season 2019, meaning that we can expect products on-shelves by the end of this year. That is exciting news as the 10th generation of Core CPUs is bringing some exciting micro-architectural improvements along with the long awaited and delayed Intel's 10nm manufacturing process node.

The new CPUs are supposed to get around 18% IPC improvement on average when looking at direct comparison to previous generation of Intel CPUs, while being clocked at same frequency. This time, even regular mobile/desktop parts will get AVX512 support, alongside VNNI and Cryptography ISA extensions that are supposed to bring additional security and performance for the ever increasing number of tasks, especially new ones like Neural Network processing. Core configurations will be ranging from dual core i3 to quad core i7, where we will see total of 11 models available.

Additionally, the integrated graphics will get some upgrades as well. Intel's Gen11 GPU architecture, as it is called, will be incorporated inside Ice Lake boosting performance and efficiency of the GPU. Intel claims that the new GPU will break 1 TeraFLOP of FP32 compute performance with its 64 Execution Units. Furthermore, new iGPU will feature native support for DisplayPort 1.4, HDMI 2.0b and HDCP 2.2.

The platform for 10th generation Core CPUs is getting improvements as well. There will be an integrated Thunderbolt 3 controller built into chipset, WiFi 6, DDR4 with up to 3733 MHz support and more.
Source: AnandTech
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78 Comments on Intel Starts Shipping 10 nm Ice Lake CPUs to OEMs

#1
lynx29
18% IPC gain at same clocks as previous gen???? no freaking way. if true Ryzen is dead to me, but I will believe it when I see it... especially if this overclocks 200-300 mhz more which Ryzen 3000 won't overclock and maintain all core... so now your looking at 22%-25% gains...

edit: this is for laptops only I think... so disregard the above... my bad.
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#2
Wyverex
First Ice Lakes (the ones that started shipping) are low power (laptop) parts.
Desktop CPUs based on that arch are coming next year.

And there were rumors that next gen will have lower clocks and/or lower OC potential. But take that with a grain of salt.
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#3
Mamya3084
Wyverex, post: 4088563, member: 76730"
First Ice Lakes (the ones that started shipping) are low power (laptop) parts.
Desktop CPUs based on that arch are coming next year.

And there were rumors that next gen will have lower clocks and/or lower OC potential. But take that with a grain of salt.
I'd say, think 5th gen i7. No one talks about those chips
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#4
Wavetrex
Ultrabook / Mobile chips.



(well, unless you're into ultra-expensive ultra-weak ultrabooks, in that case they might be interesting ... a bit)
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#5
TheLostSwede
Look at that, the chips some confused people here suggested would be desktop parts with integrated chipset...
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#6
lynx29
Wavetrex, post: 4088566, member: 182738"
Ultrabook / Mobile chips.



(well, unless you're into ultra-expensive ultra-weak ultrabooks, in that case they might be interesting ... a bit)
they might put them in rtx 2070 or rtx 2070 super laptops, in which case I might be interested. but I don't think the RTX 2070 Super is going into gaming laptops, which is a shame. I wouldn't mind upgrading my gtx 1070 laptop. if i could get 10nm intel chip plus rtx 2070 super 17.3" 144hz laptop for around $1500, I'd upgrade and sell my 1070 laptop.
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#7
Wavetrex
lynx29, post: 4088570, member: 153071"
they might put them in rtx 2070 or rtx 2070 super laptops
In case you didn't notice, these are quad-core MAX.

They only go into those ridiculously thin unibody 12" laptops and convertibles that you can use as an axe when attached to a handle.
None of those computers have a dGPU, as it's impossible to cool it.

Basically, this is competition for ARM and future ARM-based Apple Macbooks. Nothing more, nothing less !
Not a competition for AMD, not a competition even for Intel Coffee-Lake mobile, aka 8750H and up.

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/191045/intel-core-i7-9750h-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-50-ghz.html
Proper 6-core gaming laptop chip, just launched last quarter !
Ice lake won't replace this one at least until next year... assuming they manage to get it working beyond the puny 4.1 ghz boost...
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#8
laszlo
intel will fight back for sure and i won't be surprised to see lower prices from them to counter-attack amd strategy

the winner will be the consumer who will have a lot of computing power at lower prices than a few years ago...
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#9
Bwaze
"This time, even regular mobile/desktop parts will get AVX512 support, alongside VNNI and Cryptography ISA extensions that are supposed to bring additional security and performance for ever increasing number of tasks, especially new ones like Neural Network processing."

And again this site writes another forecast of Intel's Ice Lake desktop processors, even though we haven't seen single confirmation of them from Intel, and leaked roadmaps show no 10 nm parts for a long time. 14nm +++ Comet Lake, coming in early 2020, and 14 nm (but with possible non-Skylake architecture) Rocket Lake after that...
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#10
Metroid
I guess intel milking time is done and all thanks to Ryzen, i mean, as Intel had no idea Ryzen 3xxx would be this good, they wanted their 10nm for the laptop market cause that has been their target all along, as the desktop market milking process was undergoing, they felt no rush to release the 10nm together or first than the laptop market, ryzen surprised them and only in 2020 at best they will have an answer to ryzen 3xxx series, for now intel best desktop cpu is behind ryzen 3xxx and will keep till next year, but pay attention, as intel will release a new cpu desktop line, so amd will do too a refresh 4xxx. Good times for desktop users ahead of us.
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#11
Easo
Wavetrex, post: 4088566, member: 182738"
Ultrabook / Mobile chips.

(well, unless you're into ultra-expensive ultra-weak ultrabooks, in that case they might be interesting ... a bit)
Honestly, I do not think you understand what you are talking about. If I am going to take something like HP 840 G5 with i7, it is anything but slow. Instead, it is actually really fast.
Guess what - people DO NOT walk around with gaming laptops, those are niche.
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#12
The Quim Reaper
Z390 or new socket/Mobo required?

...or do I really need to ask the question :rolleyes:
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#13
HwGeek
I have no problem with better Ultrabook Quad cores, After many years of Dual core I7, the 8250U/85X0 CPU's were huge upgrade, I love my 8250U Xiaomi notebook.
IMO this new CPU's are more threat to nVidia then AMD, because it will make Nvidia MX130/150/230/250 GPU's irrelevant, and when Intel will upgrade the iGPU even farther -only nVidia will suffer.
New AMD APU's and Intel 10nm CPU's with improved iGPU will start to push out nVidai from notebook segment.
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#14
Vayra86
The Quim Reaper, post: 4088591, member: 116062"
Z390 or new socket/Mobo required?

...or do I really need to ask the question :rolleyes:
Reading the article might help a bit? Holy cow... and not just you, either.

Anyway, if the selling point is improved AI performance (?!?), and being able to run Fortnite, you can safely ignore the release :D
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#15
Manu_PT
Metroid, post: 4088585, member: 178915"
I guess intel milking time is done and all thanks to Ryzen, i mean, as Intel had no idea Ryzen 3xxx would be this good, they wanted their 10nm for the laptop market cause that has been their target all along, as the desktop market milking process was undergoing, they felt no rush to release the 10nm together or first than the laptop market, ryzen surprised them and only in 2020 at best they will have an answer to ryzen 3xxx series, for now intel best desktop cpu is behind ryzen 3xxx and will keep till next year, but pay attention, as intel will release a new cpu desktop line, so amd will do too a refresh 4xxx. Good times for desktop users ahead of us.
"Is behind" on wich tasks?
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#16
Tomorrow
So Intel finally, after 5 years of failing and milking manages to push out some weak quad core laptop parts on 10nm. Only 18% average IPC gain - seriously? Should i be in awe?
It's clear they don't want to lose the laptop and server markets. They have already lost desktop.
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#17
john_
lynx29, post: 4088558, member: 153071"
18% IPC gain at same clocks as previous gen???? no freaking way. if true Ryzen is dead to me, but I will believe it when I see it... especially if this overclocks 200-300 mhz more which Ryzen 3000 won't overclock and maintain all core... so now your looking at 22%-25% gains...

edit: this is for laptops only I think... so disregard the above... my bad.
Even if it was for desktops, Ryzen top models seems to match 9900K, while running at much lower frequencies. Add to that that Ice Lake chips could be running at much lower frequencies also, probably at less than 4.5GHz and that 18% is just enough to not make the new chips look bad.

Also Intel's numbers lately are questionable at best. For example, they where comparing their new integrated graphics a few weeks ago, with their reference laptop running dual channel DDR4 ot over 3700MHz, while the Ryzen and older Intel laptops where using single channel DDR4, at a frequency lower than 2800MHz.
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#18
Manu_PT
Tomorrow, post: 4088616, member: 136792"
So Intel finally, after 5 years of failing and milking manages to push out some weak quad core laptop parts on 10nm. Only 18% average IPC gain - seriously? Should i be in awe?
It's clear they don't want to lose the laptop and server markets. They have already lost desktop.
Did them? Afaik most of the desktops in the world are using Intel. Steamstats also agrees.

I think ppl jump to drastic conclusions too soon. Meanwhile 9700k sold out in my country a week ago....
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#19
Tomorrow
Manu_PT, post: 4088620, member: 168799"
Did them? Afaik most of the desktops in the world are using Intel. Steamstats also agrees.

I think ppl jump to drastic conclusions too soon. Meanwhile 9700k sold out in my country a week ago....
Yes most desktops - low end OEM machines from old bulldozer days when Intel was the logical choice. Steam stats are flawed. 9700K sold out - anomaly. I see the opposite. Shelves are full of Intel CPU's but AMD CPU's constantly go out of stock because they are so popular. It will take time but eventually people and businesses swap their Intel CPU's for AMD.
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#20
Manu_PT
Tomorrow, post: 4088627, member: 136792"
Yes most desktops - low end OEM machines from old bulldozer days when Intel was the logical choice. Steam stats are flawed. 9700K sold out - anomaly. I see the opposite. Shelves are full of Intel CPU's but AMD CPU's constantly go out of stock because they are so popular. It will take time but eventually people and businesses swap their Intel CPU's for AMD.
Can you elaborate on why steamstats is flawed? So all that info is wrong and AMD is the one on 90% of the desktops?

9700k selling like hot cakes is not an anomaly. A lot of ppl waited for zen2 reviews to see gaming performance on esports titles (the most played games). And they run to the store buying 9700k. R5 3600 and 9700k best selling CPUs right now here. Is not an anomaly. Is normal and easy to understand why.

R5 3600 best value chip
9700k, the no compromises chip

9700k even got up on Amazon best selling CPUs and is at number 3 now, something ot never achieved before. But you will probably say that Amazon ranks are "flawed" I guess.
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#21
Tomorrow
Steam Stats includes a lot of asian internet cafe's that still run on Intel CPU's. The same way some time ago there was uptick in Win7 usage. That alone should show you how unreliable those stats are. No im not saying AMD is 90%. But Intel is also not 70%. As always the truth is in the middle somewhere.

I fail to see how 9700K is better for esports than say 3600. Watching and reading benchmarks it seems that if Intel can get 144fps+ or 240fps+ so can AMD and if Intel does not neither does AMD. They are really close in performance. The biggest outlier seems to be Starcraft II. In CS:GO AMD is ahead actually.

3900X is also outsold on most places. I mostly see 3600X, 3700X and 3800X being in stock. And most Intel CPU's too.
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#22
lynx29
I'm leaning towards Ryzen still for my next build. Just waiting on Navi to hit FULL RDNA status... hopefully they don't make me wait a full year, 6-10 months would be ok though, come on AMD give me full RDNA!!!
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#23
B-Real
lynx29, post: 4088558, member: 153071"
18% IPC gain at same clocks as previous gen???? no freaking way. if true Ryzen is dead to me, but I will believe it when I see it... especially if this overclocks 200-300 mhz more which Ryzen 3000 won't overclock and maintain all core... so now your looking at 22%-25% gains...

edit: this is for laptops only I think... so disregard the above... my bad.
LOL @ you You express your all-time hate about AMD, so this "Ryzen is dead to me" is so funny to read. :D
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#24
TheGuruStud
Easo, post: 4088589, member: 70901"
Honestly, I do not think you understand what you are talking about. If I am going to take something like HP 840 G5 with i7, it is anything but slow. Instead, it is actually really fast.
Guess what - people DO NOT walk around with gaming laptops, those are niche.
2 ghz 10nm is not fast lol
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#25
lynx29
B-Real, post: 4088642, member: 170068"
LOL @ you You express your all-time hate about AMD, so this "Ryzen is dead to me" is so funny to read. :D
If Intel offers me 20% IPC gain on Desktop CPU at same price... yeah Ryzen is dead to me, which is why I edited my post to explain that oh, I did not realize this was not a Desktop SKU claim.

Learn context... also, welcome to my ignore list, you annoy me.
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