Monday, September 28th 2026

Panther Lake Teardown Shows Intel 18A Near TSMC N3E, Newer TSMC Nodes Still Ahead

SemiAnalysis has published a teardown of Intel's Panther Lake (Core Ultra 7 365), offering a rare look at 18A inside a shipping chip. Intel's 18A node brings advanced manufacturing technologies such as rear-side power delivery and a new transistor design, so its success is vital for the Foundry. The firm found the 18A compute logic to be similar in density to the TSMC N3E logic used in the 12-core Xe3 GPU tile. It also puts 18A about 18.6% denser than the Intel 3 GPU logic, using a representative-cell model. However, SemiAnalysis says 18A does not lead TSMC N3P, N2, or Samsung SF2 in peak density. It further cautions that whole-die density depends on cell mix and placement.

Panther Lake is Intel's first chip with RibbonFET gate-all-around transistors, and the first commercial implementation of PowerVia backside power delivery. SemiAnalysis counted four stacked ribbons per transistor, compared to three sheets on Samsung's SF2. Moreover, the Cougar Cove P-core takes roughly the same area as Lunar Lake's Lion Cove, even though L2 grew from 2.5 MiB to 3 MiB. Panther Lake's NPU 5 reportedly requires 36.9% less chip area than Lunar Lake's NPU 4, though the number of INT8 MAC units remains the same. SemiAnalysis describes the CPU cores as incremental updates.
Intel launched Panther Lake at CES 2026, after entering volume production at Fab 52. The 18A compute die has also reached around 80% yield, and Intel is reportedly moving most Nova Lake compute tile production in-house. Per the detailed analysis, Intel looks to be near TSMC N3E territory, while TSMC's newer nodes still hold the density edge. More SemiAnalysis teardowns of Samsung SF2 and TSMC N2 are apparently coming, which should show how 18A stacks up against the newer nodes.
Source: SemiAnalysis
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26 Comments on Panther Lake Teardown Shows Intel 18A Near TSMC N3E, Newer TSMC Nodes Still Ahead

#1
BArms
Now if Intel could just release a SKU with 12ish big cores with a really big cache I might be interested in an intel CPU again. Have no use for 20+ cores.
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#2
rattlehead99
BArmsNow if Intel could just release a SKU with 12ish big cores with a really big cache I might be interested in an intel CPU again. Have no use for 20+ cores.
If intel and AMD ever make big cores again, I'd be over the moon. The last time we had big cores was... sandy bridge?
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#3
tommo1982
BArmsNow if Intel could just release a SKU with 12ish big cores with a really big cache I might be interested in an intel CPU again. Have no use for 20+ cores.
AMD and Intel might join hands to push back against ARM first.
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#4
ixi
rattlehead99If intel and AMD ever make big cores again, I'd be over the moon. The last time we had big cores was... sandy bridge?
So, you are saying, that, 5600x, 5800x3d, 7600x, 7800x3d, 9600x and 9800x3d are with small cores?
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#5
Onasi
rattlehead99If intel and AMD ever make big cores again, I'd be over the moon. The last time we had big cores was... sandy bridge?
The fuck? Everything up to Rocket Lake for Intel was exclusively what is now P-cores and AMD desktop offerings haven’t even gone hybrid yet at all.
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#6
ncrs
OnasiAMD desktop offerings haven’t even gone hybrid yet at all.
Ryzen 3 8300G/GE and 5 8500G/GE are using both Zen 4 and 4c core types on AM5. They are mobile silicon, but still technically on a desktop platform.
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#7
_roman_
those intel foundry news always read like marketing or we are much better than the reality really is.

low power cores, cores with no instruction etc. work very well on a smartphone. I expect something else and much more durable on desktops.
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#8
ncrs
_roman_those intel foundry news always read like marketing or we are much better than the reality really is.

low power cores, cores with no instruction etc. work very well on a smartphone. I expect something else and much more durable on desktops.
This isn't a typical PR news piece. The linked article is extremely in-depth going as far as nanometer-scale imaging and spectroscopy to analyze the new Intel Foundry process.
Having read it yesterday I'm quite impressed at how Intel managed to correct their 14/10nm-era fumbles. Them not depending that much on TSMC in the future is good news for all consumers.
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#9
Cheeseball
Not a Potato
OnasiThe fuck? Everything up to Rocket Lake for Intel was exclusively what is now P-cores and AMD desktop offerings haven’t even gone hybrid yet at all.
Ehhh, a little correction. AMD does have the Ryzen 5 8500G and Ryzen 3 8300G which do have Zen4c cores in them (yes I know they come from mobile with higher TDP). But with rest of the AMD desktop line up yeah you're correct they're all big cores.
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#10
qcmadness
OnasiThe fuck? Everything up to Rocket Lake for Intel was exclusively what is now P-cores and AMD desktop offerings haven’t even gone hybrid yet at all.
The fact that Intel could not force AMD to get Zen 4c / 5c CCDs into desktop means a lot.
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#11
T550p
BArmsNow if Intel could just release a SKU with 12ish big cores with a really big cache I might be interested in an intel CPU again. Have no use for 20+ cores.
The Core 9 273PQE and the Xeon 636 doesn't apply? Not enough L3 in the 273PQE? Mesh interconnect too slow in the 636?
rattlehead99If intel and AMD ever make big cores again, I'd be over the moon. The last time we had big cores was... sandy bridge?
Looking for Royal Core v2, bro? Not gonna happen. Takes up too much die space and Intel wouldn't have a way to fit 256 of them on a package without making the chip itself bigger than a 7 by 7 burger.

@Geddagod this article doesn't mention anything about the library type. Do you think Panther Lake's compute tile is using 18A HP or a mix of 18A HP and 18A HD?
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#12
windwhirl
BArmsNow if Intel could just release a SKU with 12ish big cores with a really big cache I might be interested in an intel CPU again. Have no use for 20+ cores.
Zen6 might come with up to 12 cores per CCD. Intel I believe has already released one such SKU... but it's one of those Edge/Embedded applications only, I think
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#13
Geddagod
T550pThe Core 9 273PQE and the Xeon 636 doesn't apply? Not enough L3 in the 273PQE? Mesh interconnect too slow in the 636?

Looking for Royal Core v2, bro? Not gonna happen. Takes up too much die space and Intel wouldn't have a way to fit 256 of them on a package without making the chip itself bigger than a 7 by 7 burger.

@Geddagod this article doesn't mention anything about the library type. Do you think Panther Lake's compute tile is using 18A HP or a mix of 18A HP and 18A HD?
HP logic library only, and HC SRAM cells only, according to Techinsight's analysis (available for anyone who creates a free account, video is called: 2026 compute process technology briefing 1).
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#14
XeonsNOpterons
Interesting report, though I am more interested in performance per watt than just density. The densities are close enough that the higher performance per watt reported for 18A over N2 means that they can still have more overall power on a desktop platform. Making logic more dense is both a benefit and a detriment as tighter packing means higher heat per area generation, leading to harder and harder cooling limits. Higher performance per watt is only a benefit. I could be wrong about 18A's performance per watt advantage over/comparable to N2, but that is what I have seen.
rattlehead99If intel and AMD ever make big cores again, I'd be over the moon. The last time we had big cores was... sandy bridge?
AMD only has big cores... at least for now, Zen 6 is supposed to bring smaller core variants. So, I am not sure what you are talking about. And Intel's P-cores are big cores. They will unify the architectures in a couple generations as well, bringing a sort of Royal Core concept.
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#15
TheEndIsNear
Shrinking doesn't matter as much anymore. 3D packaging is where the money is going to be made.
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#16
Geddagod
XeonsNOpteronsThe densities are close enough that the higher performance per watt reported for 18A over N2
18A does not have higher perf/watt over N2. 18A doesn't even seem to have higher perf/watt over N3. And Fmax still looks like it is a problem for 18A, though it looks like 18AP has several improvements designed to improve Fmax.
XeonsNOpteronsmeans that they can still have more overall power on a desktop platform.
That's if it is used for a desktop platform's compute tiles at all.
Btw it should be 18AP used not base 18A used in NVL, according to Intel at VLSI.
XeonsNOpteronsI could be wrong about 18A's performance per watt advantage over/comparable to N2, but that is what I have seen.
Where?
XeonsNOpteronsAMD only has big cores... at least for now, Zen 6 is supposed to bring smaller core variants.
They have had dense and classic cores for a while. Effectively big and small cores. Zen 6 is rumored to bring even smaller core variants for the LPE cores but I forget what the rumors say about them exactly. Totally new arch, cut down Zen 6 arch, same Zen 6 arch with a cut down FPU and even smaller core area?
XeonsNOpteronsThey will unify the architectures in a couple generations as well, bringing a sort of Royal Core concept.
Bringing a Royal Core concept would be them sacrificing a bunch of area for peak 1T perf. We should see what royal core might have looked like at Intel when Ahead Computing releases info about their upcoming core, since that was allegedly the same team developing royal core that left and started their own company when royal core was canned.

Unified Core's goals seem to be fixing the terrible power and poor area problem plaguing Intel's P-cores more than giving a large increase in per-core performance. Hence why it's rumored to be based on scaling up the E-core design, and the team being led by an E-core team architect.
TheEndIsNearShrinking doesn't matter as much anymore. 3D packaging is where the money is going to be made.
Any source for this?
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#17
MufasaV
Teardown comparing high performance libraries and high density libraries
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#18
tsurugi
BArmsNow if Intel could just release a SKU with 12ish big cores with a really big cache I might be interested in an intel CPU again. Have no use for 20+ cores.
The OS recognizes threads rather than cores. Zen6 and novalake offer 24/28 threads in their mainstream configurations, with the difference being that intel e-core thread performance is higher than amd smt, resulting in better performance. AMD paid silicon area to achieve smt and requires extra power consumption, which is no different from intel e-core. SMT(zen6 24t) is also "no use" to you, so do you refuse to buy amd products for the same reason?
T550p18A HP and 18A HD?
PTL compute: full HP
WCL GPU: likely HD
Xe3 IP : 18A, intel 3, N3E
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#19
BArms
tsurugiThe OS recognizes threads rather than cores. Zen6 and novalake offer 24/28 threads in their mainstream configurations, with the difference being that intel e-core thread performance is higher than amd smt, resulting in better performance. AMD paid silicon area to achieve smt and requires extra power consumption, which is no different from intel e-core. SMT(zen6 24t) is also "no use" to you, so do you refuse to buy amd products for the same reason?
So I run two computers, one 5950X 16 core DDR4 built at a time when AI/ML was new when I thought they'd be necessary for me. The other is a 7800X3D with DDR5, both 32 GB/3090 and virtually everything else the same down to the case and PSU.

The 5950X with 16 cores came out in 2020 when the 10900K at the time only had 10c/20t. AI was in it's infancy in 2020 and we didn't have ChatGPT yet, it hadn't gone mainstream yet. It was still common to use early AI/ML tools that used both CPU and GPU. Today it's virtually all GPU unless you're into video editing or the like.

Today the 7800X3D system with 8 fewer cores is in no way inferior to the 5950X 16 core one (for me). The 8 extra real cores simply don't help anything for me, not daily driving nor gaming, the 7800X3D is always faster, though not necessarily noticably in all games/apps. Most games I run for instance just run great on both, but newer titles definitely run noticeably better on the 7800X3D and not just loading from the faster NVME. Since 2020 most of the average workload went to the GPU side but Intel is still building CPUs like it's early 2020 chasing higher and higher core counts that almost nobody needs.

It would be one thing if Intel's 24c monsters would be able to boost 8 cores really high when not running highly parallel workloads to beat AMD, but of course that isn't what we see, Intel simply keeps failing in my eyes.
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#20
tsurugi
BArmsSo I run two computers, one 5950X 16 core DDR4 built at a time when AI/ML was new when I thought they'd be necessary for me. The other is a 7800X3D with DDR5, both 32 GB/3090 and virtually everything else the same down to the case and PSU.

The 5950X with 16 cores came out in 2020 when the 10900K at the time only had 10c/20t. AI was in it's infancy in 2020 and we didn't have ChatGPT yet, it hadn't gone mainstream yet. It was still common to use early AI/ML tools that used both CPU and GPU. Today it's virtually all GPU unless you're into video editing or the like.

Today the 7800X3D system with 8 fewer cores is in no way inferior to the 5950X 16 core one (for me). The 8 extra real cores simply don't help anything for me, not daily driving nor gaming, the 7800X3D is always faster, though not necessarily noticably in all games/apps. Most games I run for instance just run great on both, but newer titles definitely run noticeably better on the 7800X3D and not just loading from the faster NVME. Since 2020 most of the average workload went to the GPU side but Intel is still building CPUs like it's early 2020 chasing higher and higher core counts that almost nobody needs.

It would be one thing if Intel's 24c monsters would be able to boost 8 cores really high when not running highly parallel workloads to beat AMD, but of course that isn't what we see, Intel simply keeps failing in my eyes.
You've greatly expanded the scope of the topic. Theoretically, for a typical modern game engine like UE5 with 75-80% parallelism, 8p16e4lpe provides about a 7% performance advantage over 12c24t. There are also measurable improvements in actual game testing.



This has nothing to do with other factors, such as the AI workloads you mentioned. I don't know why you're so opposed to more cores. Your computer is constantly performing high-parallelism tasks, and modern game engines also have high parallelism. It can also provide better performance during shader compilation and decompression, all of which benefits you without any harm. You compared zen4x3d with zen3, confusing the comparison targets, which are cpu models from intel and amd of the same generation with similar st performance. While you are opposing core counts, amd increased cpu cores by 50%, aka 1.5x silicon area, does this move you at all.

5950x should not be compared with intel configurations. AMD dual ccd has no game performance improvement compared to single ccd due to dual ccd latency, making it unable to effectively utilize more cores in latency-sensitive applications. Intel provides it within a single compute tile and does not have this problem, so it can bring the performance boost, including in games.

Regarding content humanly perceptible, I believe the gaming advantage of 9800x3d is barely perceptible to humans, for the following reasons.

Its performance advantage applies to high-end gpus, such as 5090, while its advantage under 5070 is close to 1%. Its performance advantage is concentrated in low-resolution high-fps games, and high fps requires a high refresh rate 360hz+ display to be effectively distinguished and utilized by humans, with a difference of less than 1ms. As for display smoothness, nvidia's mfg feature can easily improve aaa game smoothness.
its overclocking potential is lower; in fact, the gaming performance of an unoced 9850x3d is similar to an oced 270k plus, but it is more expensive, and its mt performance is much worse.

To summarize, fully utilizing the gaming performance of 9800x3d requires a gpu above 5080, frequently playing competitive fps games rather than aaa games (the sensitivity to latency for competitive game types other than fps is questionable), being equipped with a very high refresh rate display, and being someone whose competitive level cannot tolerate even 1ms of latency (with mouse and keyboard naturally using the most advanced standards, such as logitech's HITS mouse).
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#21
MufasaV
BArmsSo I run two computers, one 5950X 16 core DDR4 built at a time when AI/ML was new when I thought they'd be necessary for me. The other is a 7800X3D with DDR5, both 32 GB/3090 and virtually everything else the same down to the case and PSU.

The 5950X with 16 cores came out in 2020 when the 10900K at the time only had 10c/20t. AI was in it's infancy in 2020 and we didn't have ChatGPT yet, it hadn't gone mainstream yet. It was still common to use early AI/ML tools that used both CPU and GPU. Today it's virtually all GPU unless you're into video editing or the like.

Today the 7800X3D system with 8 fewer cores is in no way inferior to the 5950X 16 core one (for me). The 8 extra real cores simply don't help anything for me, not daily driving nor gaming, the 7800X3D is always faster, though not necessarily noticably in all games/apps. Most games I run for instance just run great on both, but newer titles definitely run noticeably better on the 7800X3D and not just loading from the faster NVME. Since 2020 most of the average workload went to the GPU side but Intel is still building CPUs like it's early 2020 chasing higher and higher core counts that almost nobody needs.

It would be one thing if Intel's 24c monsters would be able to boost 8 cores really high when not running highly parallel workloads to beat AMD, but of course that isn't what we see, Intel simply keeps failing in my eyes.
What you described with 5950X, is a CPU keeping up with a chip with 50% higher per core performance after multiple gens because it had more cores, saving you the need to buy a newer CPU solely based on multicore workloads.
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#22
rattlehead99
XeonsNOpteronsInteresting report, though I am more interested in performance per watt than just density. The densities are close enough that the higher performance per watt reported for 18A over N2 means that they can still have more overall power on a desktop platform. Making logic more dense is both a benefit and a detriment as tighter packing means higher heat per area generation, leading to harder and harder cooling limits. Higher performance per watt is only a benefit. I could be wrong about 18A's performance per watt advantage over/comparable to N2, but that is what I have seen.


AMD only has big cores... at least for now, Zen 6 is supposed to bring smaller core variants. So, I am not sure what you are talking about. And Intel's P-cores are big cores. They will unify the architectures in a couple generations as well, bringing a sort of Royal Core concept.
AMD and Intel haven't had big cores since 32nm.
T550pThe Core 9 273PQE and the Xeon 636 doesn't apply? Not enough L3 in the 273PQE? Mesh interconnect too slow in the 636?

Looking for Royal Core v2, bro? Not gonna happen. Takes up too much die space and Intel wouldn't have a way to fit 256 of them on a package without making the chip itself bigger than a 7 by 7 burger.

@Geddagod this article doesn't mention anything about the library type. Do you think Panther Lake's compute tile is using 18A HP or a mix of 18A HP and 18A HD?
Yeah, they just want to sell us server architectures for the desktop, that much is a given. A ton of small cores for the servers and we get a handful for desktop.
OnasiThe fuck? Everything up to Rocket Lake for Intel was exclusively what is now P-cores and AMD desktop offerings haven’t even gone hybrid yet at all.
"P-Core" is a marketing name, AMD and Intel have been making their cores smaller with every process node shrink, they are selling us server architectures for the desktop. The servers get a ton of the small cores and we get a handful. The last time AMD and intel had big cores was 32nm.
ixiSo, you are saying, that, 5600x, 5800x3d, 7600x, 7800x3d, 9600x and 9800x3d are with small cores?
Considering that the Core Chiplet(Module) of the 9700x/9800x3d is 70mm^2 die size for 8 cores, yes. Remember when we had 250-300mm^2 quad cores?
They are serving us server architecture ported for to desktop platforms.
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#23
Onasi
@rattlehead99
…do you genuinely just not understand how lithography improvements work or are you trolling? Like… what you wrote is nonsense. Yes, individual cores are getting (generally) physically smaller with each iteration. That’s kind of the point.

Not to mention arguing that Intel didn’t have “big cores” since Sandy when Ivy was literally just a die shrink and everything until Skylake and friends was a refinement of that architectural paradigm is kind of wild.
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#24
rattlehead99
Onasi@rattlehead99
…do you genuinely just not understand how lithography improvements work or are you trolling? Like… what you wrote is nonsense. Yes, individual cores are getting (generally) physically smaller with each iteration. That’s kind of the point.

Not to mention arguing that Intel didn’t have “big cores” since Sandy when Ivy was literally just a die shrink and everything until Skylake and friends was a refinement of that architectural paradigm is kind of wild.
Do you not understand that they could have had more transistors per core and kept the die size per core roughly the same or slightly smaller with each node? Having wider, more complex cores with much higher performance per clock?
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#25
Onasi
rattlehead99Do you not understand that they could have had more transistors per core and kept the die size per core roughly the same or slightly smaller with each node? Having wider, more complex cores with much higher performance per clock?
No, they could not, not in a way that would produce meaningful improvements without severe drawbacks in terms of power, thermals and straight up costs. The reason why Apple can get away with going extremely wide on high end M chips is just due to the nature of ARM being RISC.
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