Thursday, September 12th 2019

AMD Updates Roadmaps to Lock RDNA2 and Zen 3 onto 7nm+, with 2020 Launch Window

AMD updated its technology roadmaps to reflect a 2020 launch window for its upcoming CPU and graphics architectures, "Zen 3" and RDNA2. The two will be based on 7 nm+ , which is AMD-speak for the 7 nanometer EUV silicon fabrication process at TSMC, that promises a significant 20 percent increase in transistor-densities, giving AMD high transistor budgets and more clock-speed headroom. The roadmap slides however hint that unlike the "Zen 2" and RDNA simultaneous launch on 7th July 2019, the next-generation launches may not be simultaneous.

The slide for CPU microarchitecture states that the design phase of "Zen 3" is complete, and that the microarchitecture team has already moved on to develop "Zen 4." This means AMD is now developing products that implement "Zen 3." On the other hand, RDNA2 is still in design phase. The crude x-axis on both slides that denotes year of expected shipping, too appears to suggest that "Zen 3" based products will precede RDNA2 based ones. "Zen 3" will be AMD's first response to Intel's "Comet Lake-S" or even "Ice Lake-S," if the latter comes to fruition before Computex 2020. In the run up to RDNA2, AMD will scale up RDNA a notch larger with the "Navi 12" silicon to compete with graphics cards based on NVIDIA's "TU104" silicon. "Zen 2" will receive product stack additions in the form of a new 16-core Ryzen 9-series chip later this month, and the 3rd generation Ryzen Threadripper family.
Source: Guru3D
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94 Comments on AMD Updates Roadmaps to Lock RDNA2 and Zen 3 onto 7nm+, with 2020 Launch Window

#1
R0H1T
If only there were some popcorn emojis :ohwell:
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#2
GoldenX
This is turning up to be a better fight than the old Athlon 64 va Pentium 4. Good times ahead.
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#3
lynx29
GoldenX, post: 4115136, member: 160319"
This is turning up to be a better fight than the old Athlon 64 va Pentium 4. Good times ahead.
yep I am very surprised honestly, just hope AMD can hammer out better drivers, because even if they can beat Nvidia next round, if I can't launch any and every game I want with 0 issues... not going to bother. I hope they can pull it off.
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#4
Fouquin
lynx29, post: 4115137, member: 153071"
if I can't launch any and every game I want with 0 issues... not going to bother.
"If they can't do something that literally nobody ever in the history of everything has ever done, they suck."
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#5
lynx29
Fouquin, post: 4115150, member: 157604"
"If they can't do something that literally nobody ever in the history of everything has ever done, they suck."
my nvidia and intel system has given me 0 issues and I own over 1000 games... /shrug AMD seems to be crashing on lots of games according to many Navi owners and gamersnexus review.
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#6
Anymal
Nvidia throws more money in developers.
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#7
Xaled
lynx29, post: 4115151, member: 153071"
my nvidia and intel system has given me 0 issues and I own over 1000 games... /shrug AMD seems to be crashing on lots of games according to many Navi owners and gamersnexus review.
İf youve got 80 % of the market and you sell your products with double the price, you have to make drivers with 0 issues. it is not optional
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#8
1d10t
RTG moving at slower pace compare to CPU division, they still drawing RDNA2 :D

lynx29, post: 4115151, member: 153071"
my nvidia and intel system has given me 0 issues and I own over 1000 games... /shrug AMD seems to be crashing on lots of games according to many Navi owners and gamersnexus review.
Jeez man, I'm always read your comment about how bad AMD this, AMD that. Why not go back to your previous system to give you peace of mind? :)
Yeah, AMD bad at driver , but how many of them died within months ? :rolleyes:
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#9
lynx29
1d10t, post: 4115177, member: 110464"
RTG moving at slower pace compare to CPU division, they still drawing RDNA2 :D



Jeez man, I'm always read your comment about how bad AMD this, AMD that. Why not go back to your previous system to give you peace of mind? :)
Yeah, AMD bad at driver , but how many of them died within months ? :rolleyes:
hmm owned AMD and Nvidia gpus my entire life, upgrade every generation for over a decade never had any hardware die on me.

Xaled, post: 4115163, member: 158027"
İf youve got 80 % of the market and you sell your products with double the price, you have to make drivers with 0 issues. it is not optional
yeah i like to game without issue... don't care what hardware I use as long as its stable and works out of the box. AMD can't offer that me with Navi yet... so Nvidia it is. when Navi can offer that I will gladly go back to red team... pretty basic logic.
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#10
bug
GoldenX, post: 4115136, member: 160319"
This is turning up to be a better fight than the old Athlon 64 va Pentium 4. Good times ahead.
It's not as different as you think.
Back then AMD had Athlon first (that brought the IPC fight to Intel). Then they had AthlonXP (dreamy overclocking). Then Athlon64 came (64bit and integrated memory controller). And then we had Athlon64 X2 (real multicore).
So they did have an engineering roadmap back then, too. They just left marketing and sales to chance.
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#11
1d10t
lynx29, post: 4115190, member: 153071"
hmm owned AMD and Nvidia gpus my entire life, upgrade every generation for over a decade never had any hardware die on me.
Playing victim card I presume. So what your take on that news, did news outlet just fabricated it or high end RTX user are mostly repugnant? :rolleyes:
Same goes here, I'm always had Crossfire since X850 XT master-slave era and have given me 0 issues. Are these sound plausible?
There always be a problem on both sides, whether you choose to hyperbolize minor glitch or you just pretend there's no elephant in the room. You know, like 95W TDP and 50Mhz lesser boost :rolleyes:
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#12
lewis007
AMD should do a simultaneous launch, the wall to wall coverage they received with Ryzen 2 and the RX series whether good or bad increased sales by quite a margin.
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#13
efikkan
There is an elephant in the room; Nvidia is expected to launch their 7nm Turing successor sometime in 2020, and if AMD finally launches a "RTX 2080 competitor" in 2020, then it's going to be too little too late once again.

AMD need to catch up in the GPU market, and not by waiting and hoping for the competition to "screw up".

lynx29, post: 4115137, member: 153071"
yep I am very surprised honestly, just hope AMD can hammer out better drivers, because even if they can beat Nvidia next round, if I can't launch any and every game I want with 0 issues... not going to bother. I hope they can pull it off.
Yes, AMD's driver quality is nowhere close to Nvidia's unfortunately. Whether or not this matters is up to the end users. But despite AMD having fewer resources than Nvidia, they could prioritize and get this solved. AMD have hundreds of engineers working on "optimizing" for games (which means manipulating shaders, etc.) to squeeze out that ~2% extra, while they should be focusing on making the best drivers ever. Even Nvidia's drivers is not perfect, so there is plenty of room for improvement.

Anymal, post: 4115156, member: 158578"
Nvidia throws more money in developers.
Due to the consoles, there are far more AMD sponsored titles.

1d10t, post: 4115177, member: 110464"
Yeah, AMD bad at driver , but how many of them died within months ? :rolleyes:
Feeding the conspiracy theories again?
A few cards being DoA, and a failure rate of 2-5% is completely normal, and Turing is below that. Most of the reported problems were later dismissed as driver bugs (which were also fixed), and only a few cards were actually defective.
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#14
1d10t
efikkan, post: 4115214, member: 150226"
Yes, AMD's driver quality is nowhere close to Nvidia's unfortunately. Whether or not this matters is up to the end users. But despite AMD having fewer resources than Nvidia
How about your latter comment...

efikkan, post: 4115214, member: 150226"
Feeding the conspiracy theories again?
A few cards being DoA, and a failure rate of 2-5% is completely normal, and Turing is below that. Most of the reported problems were later dismissed as driver bugs (which were also fixed), and only a few cards were actually defective.
Okay, nuff said :rolleyes:
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#15
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
lynx29, post: 4115190, member: 153071"
hmm owned AMD and Nvidia gpus my entire life, upgrade every generation for over a decade never had any hardware die on me.
Tell that to a co-worker of mine where his replacement 2080 Ti just failed, so that's two dead 2080 Tis. Just because you haven't had issues doesn't mean others haven't.
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#16
efikkan
1d10t, post: 4115219, member: 110464"
How about your latter comment...

Okay, nuff said :rolleyes:
Where is your logical reasoning here? So just because Nvidia isn't 100% perfect, we can ignore all problems from AMD? This sort of argumentation is childish.

And if you actually read my whole post, you would also see; Even Nvidia's drivers is not perfect, so there is plenty of room for improvement.
Turing launched with at least 3-4 bugs which were quickly fixed, which is a lot from Nvidia, and is probably the "worst driver launch" they've done in many years, and I've criticized it plenty for that reason. But at least their drivers are stable once the initial bugs are ironed out.
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#17
Xuper
lynx29, post: 4115190, member: 153071"
yeah i like to game without issue... don't care what hardware I use as long as its stable and works out of the box. AMD can't offer that me with Navi yet... so Nvidia it is. when Navi can offer that I will gladly go back to red team... pretty basic logic.
LOL Then Why are you bothering with AMD ? Just Forget AMD and Stay with your beloved Nvidia.Period.You really don't need it.
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#18
ppn
takes them years to release TU106 competitor and then in who knows how long for the TU104. Perhaps TU102 competitor for 2021. Instead of releasing them in few months distance. but Nvidia can beat Navi12 with TU106 shrink to 6nm. the same way GTX560 40nm outperformed GTX280 65nm. So yeah RTX 5060 6nm wil beat RTX 2080S 12nm.
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#19
TheMadDutchDude
That logic is so flawed, and pure speculation from you alone.

Back on topic: I don’t see how the clocks will improve. They barely got better with the shrink from 12 to 7 nm, and if they did, the all-core clocks are mostly about 100 MHz better - an improvement, yes, but not by much.
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#20
Th3pwn3r
Aquinus, post: 4115220, member: 102461"
Tell that to a co-worker of mine where his replacement 2080 Ti just failed, so that's two dead 2080 Tis. Just because you haven't had issues doesn't mean others haven't.
Honestly it's probably something he's doing then. Seems super unlikely. Admittedly the only GPU I have had fail on me were from Nvidia ages ago.

Anyhow, the crazy thing is that Nvidia is still the top dog with it's super old architecture.
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#21
Xuper


Worth to watch.Article

RDNA 2 should improve at least 15%.
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#22
bug
Xuper, post: 4115283, member: 83814"


Worth to watch.Article

RDNA 2 should improve at least 15%.
There's a lot of things AMD's products "should" do.
Save your time (and sanity) and only follow what they actually deliver. And this is not limited to AMD, I treat Nvidia and Intel just the same.
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#23
diatribe
Anymal, post: 4115156, member: 158578"
Nvidia throws more money in developers.
How to they get the money 'in' them? Some type of suppository?
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#24
bug
diatribe, post: 4115295, member: 93915"
How to they get the money 'in' them? Some type of suppository?
It's part of how devious Nvidia really is :D
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#25
GoldenX
I have 7 years old GCN cards, how are AMD cards DoA?
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