Inverted PolarityIt's probably only a matter of time before Nvidia just stops making video cards altogether.

There will be no 6000 series. The 5000 series are the last cards they will make for consumers.

Im forming this conclusion based on current industry data. Consumer Video cards are approaching sub 1% of their total sales based on current data. This is in part due to them reducing overall production of consumer chips and the Memory crisis.

If they do launch a 6000 series, it will be an afterthought that comes after what ever the new workstation or AI cards are.

Their plans moving forward are to have consumers buying cut down DGX spark like PCs so they can undercut the entire market.

Hopefully AMD kicks ass with the next Gen of Video cards, because They will most likely be the only consumer video card manufacturer.

Nick89Hopefully AMD kicks ass with the next Gen of Video cards, because They will most likely be the only consumer video card manufacturer.

At this point, I think we can be pretty certain that IF Nvidia starts pulling away from the consumer market, AMD won't be far behind. Perhaps a generation or two, they'll gobble up some market share but thats about it. If AI/DC demand keeps eating up capacity and theres still money to be made, you can bet AMD will jump straight in. Theres no way they'll turn down those margins just to keep gamers happy.

But I don't think Nvidia/AMD will ditch the consumer market entirely. In a worst case scenario, they'll still throw us a few crumbs here and there. Even the afterthoughts need feeding. What is likely is longer product cycles, crappy performance improvements, tight supply and horribly inflated prices. The bit I agree, at the same time they'll be heavily pushing on these unified mini systems and cloud gaming.

wheresmycarAt this point, I think we can be pretty certain that IF Nvidia starts pulling away from the consumer market, AMD won't be far behind. Perhaps a generation or two, they'll gobble up some market share but thats about it. If AI/DC demand keeps eating up capacity and theres still money to be made, you can bet AMD will jump straight in. Theres no way they'll turn down those margins just to keep gamers happy.

But I don't think Nvidia/AMD will ditch the consumer market entirely. In a worst case scenario, they'll still throw us a few crumbs here and there. Even the afterthoughts need feeding. What is likely is longer product cycles, crappy performance improvements, tight supply and horribly inflated prices. The bit I agree, at the same time they'll be heavily pushing on these unified mini systems and cloud gaming.

Mmmm, I think we're conflating or confusing short term and long term objectives. As it is now, in the short term, if manufacturing volume is as they describe, there will be a shift of production toward workstation and server segments. In the long term as volume potential increases, as it's already doing, they of course will want to capture/recapture the lesser consumer/prosumer segment.

And if they both ditch us it's not THAT hard to make a good GPU. The hardest part is getting games devs to support whatever it is. Already we're seeing "AI Accelerators" pop up from tiny startups which are as good or better price-proformant and more efficient than NVidia cards for local AI - and that's essentially the same thing (not far off). Nya, as long as there is a market for them there will be "GPUs".

It could happen I guess... I mean if everyone just accepted and moved to cloud streaming. Have you tried services like the XBox Cloud Gaming? They'er awesome if you have a decent connection. If gamers went cloud on mass that would sink us!

This sounds like Nvidia slowly backing out of the gaming market.

Looks like I brought at 2 good times.

3080 FE at a £650 MSRP.
4080 FE Super which was cheaper than both standard 4080 and the 5080.
The new 5080 24gig will replace the existing one and will probably jump in price as the VRAM makes it usable for AI.
5070TI 16gig to become the mainstream top end card. Not priced great though as has no FE version.

wow, finally. Overpriced even at start, and performance capabilities that are way too high to use for "gaming" anyway. Also, stupid design issues with, you know, power connector lmfao..

So here we are. Similar hardware specs to the RTX3090 and 5080 24G--24G VRAM and 10,000 CUDA cores. If this hardware cannot play some games in high setting, those games are poorly optimize and shouldn't earn your money

john_The naming scheme will play a role in pricing. The way it gets marketed to the public will play a role in pricing. We could easily see a repeat of the RTX 4080 12GB situation—except instead of affecting a single SKU in the RTX 60 lineup, it could apply across every model. That way, consumers wouldn't be able to easily spot a spec regression or tier shift within the stack, which prevents the kind of coordinated backlash we saw with the RTX 4080 12GB.

Regarding the Titan, I had misremembered a few details; @Tesselator 's comment prompted me to look back into it. The original Titan was marketed interchangeably—sometimes as a semi-pro card, other times as the ultimate gaming GPU. That was no accident. It didn't feature standalone workstation drivers; the driver package simply read the product ID and unlocked certain compute capabilities. The RTX 5090 launched at $2,000, a price point Nvidia had already tested the waters with on the RTX 3090 Ti. It was—and remains—a gaming card. The RTX Pro series represents the actual non-gaming lineup. Even if the RTX 5090's price hits $100,000, I will personally still call it a gaming card. We simply view this through different lenses. You might be more in the right here while I'm just being stubborn, but under no circumstances do I want to establish a precedent where "gamers concede that a gaming card ceases to be considered a gaming card the moment we find a secondary utility for it, thereby legitimizing a massive price hike".

Nah, if a proper boycott were enacted, these companies would take pro-consumer steps regardless of their current balance sheets. You don't shoot your Plan B in the head—and returning to the consumer desktop space is their Plan B if demand for AI fab hardware suddenly collapses. Why do you think Nvidia hands out GPUs at MSRP at almost every public event they host?

They can just as easily repurpose workstation GPUs as gaming ones, should a crash happen, as they can vice versa. They don't need to do us any favours. I don't disagree that it's everyone's duty as an informed consumer not to waste money on expensive stuff that's only expensive because someone high up the chain arbitrarily said so, but I don't think our tantrums matter to those people. All we got to do is persevere.

Too many lawsuits from burned homes?

RuruToo many lawsuits from burned homes?

How many have there been?

AusWolfThey can just as easily repurpose workstation GPUs as gaming ones, should a crash happen, as they can vice versa. They don't need to do us any favours. I don't disagree that it's everyone's duty as an informed consumer not to waste money on expensive stuff that's only expensive because someone high up the chain arbitrarily said so, but I don't think our tantrums matter to those people. All we got to do is persevere.

I'd much rather the boardroom discussion went like this:

• "There will be backlash."
• "It's manageable."

...rather than:

• "No matter what we pull on them..."
• "...they still say thank you!"(HAHAHA)

An actual rumor that is circulating is that very interesting is that when the rtx 5080 24gb releases in q1 2027, the original 5080 will be eol. This is normal for nvidia, it happened when they released the super refresh in 4000 and 2000 series. Innocuous, right? Here is the interesting part: the 5080 super or 5080 24gb will use 3gb vram so it will be very expensive but also useful for ai.

The rtx pro 4500 doesn't use the full die like the 5080, they are different. So more gb203 will be allocated for the ai market.

In short, more gb203 to the ai market with a new "budget" option while pretending they care about gaming. Remember, the 16gb 5080 will not be available. Genius!

They did the same thing with LHR cards during the crypto boom in 2021.

So... is the rumor true? I hope it is, it will be very funny to see the reactions to a 3000-4000$ 5080.

YouseethisRemember, the 16gb 5080 will not be available. Genius!

Because after the price increases for the rest of the RTX 50 series the RTX 5070 Ti is more expensive than the MSRP for the current RTX 5080. So, no room for an RTX 5080.

I wouldn't call that a rumor but probably an educated guess and a very logical one.

So $1500 MSRP for the 24GB RTX 5080 Super that will last for a day or two and over $2000 after that. With the RTX 5090 out of the equation thanks to people playing Nvidia's game by accepting that the RTX 5090 under the current conditions is not a gaming card, we can expect the top card for the RTX 60 series to be an RTX 6080, not an RTX 6090, still with a MSRP starting price of $2000.

TesselatorNow it seems NVidia has found a new segment to market to: "Workstation users" (or at least is hardening that segmentation).

That has always been a thing with professional workstations and servers. If I remember correctly, It's literally the reason why CUDA took off in the first place + the fact it was faster than OpenCL at nearly everything. That's also why the average consumers aren't blocked from buying Quadro cards (except for the price tag).

nVidia "The way it's meant to be played"
They played us in the long run.

*sigh*

People's greed is enough to blind them...

The rtx pro 4500 is basically a 5080 (- 256 cores) with 32GB vram, wouldn't be surprised if they retire the 5080 to make more 4500s which sell for $4800

Well, 90% of people would rather go for a 5080/5070 either way. The 5090 here jumped from 3.4k USD to 5.5k USD if I convert my currency to USD.
You get cheaper freaking second-hand cars... Btw, the 5090 on the used market will go through the roof in price :D

TesselatorMmmm, I think we're conflating or confusing short term and long term objectives. As it is now, in the short term, if manufacturing volume is as they describe, there will be a shift of production toward workstation and server segments. In the long term as volume potential increases, as it's already doing, they of course will want to capture/recapture the lesser consumer/prosumer segment.

And if they both ditch us it's not THAT hard to make a good GPU. The hardest part is getting games devs to support whatever it is. Already we're seeing "AI Accelerators" pop up from tiny startups which are as good or better price-proformant and more efficient than NVidia cards for local AI - and that's essentially the same thing (not far off). Nya, as long as there is a market for them there will be "GPUs".

It could happen I guess... I mean if everyone just accepted and moved to cloud streaming. Have you tried services like the XBox Cloud Gaming? They'er awesome if you have a decent connection. If gamers went cloud on mass that would sink us!

We can only hope more manufacturing capacity eventually means more gaming GPUs. Perhaps in the long run but I wouldn't hold my breath anytime soon. I reckon we're in for a long ride, well beyond 2030.

For me it isn't that gaming GPUs will disappear... its the damage thats already done. Inflated prices, crappy generational performance gains and calculatively tight supply, which only drives prices even higher and gives scalpers a field day. If this was proper short term, a year or 2, we'd all be drawing different conclusions. But we're looking at years of disruption, enough to leave some serious gaps in the market that could take just as long to recover from.

By the time capacity catches up, we might be looking at a GPU market where paying silly money for mediocre upgrades becomes the new norm. Only recently I started looking into Geforce Now subscriptions for the 4K TV (not the dedicated gaming rig)... if this sort of thing catches up like a wild fire, it gets proper ugly for the DIY enthusiast. On top we can't blame gamers on a budget (the majority/mainstream) for going down that route when decent gaming hardware is becoming unaffordable. The irony is that the more gamers turn to cloud gaming and unified mini systems out of necessity, the less incentive Nvidia and AMD might have to prioritise the consumer GPU market. That would be one ugly vicious cycle.

john_Because after the price increases for the rest of the RTX 50 series the RTX 5070 Ti is more expensive than the MSRP for the current RTX 5080. So, no room for an RTX 5080.

I wouldn't call that a rumor but probably an educated guess and a very logical one.

So $1500 MSRP for the 24GB RTX 5080 Super that will last for a day or two and over $2000 after that. With the RTX 5090 out of the equation thanks to people playing Nvidia's game by accepting that the RTX 5090 under the current conditions is not a gaming card, we can expect the top card for the RTX 60 series to be an RTX 6080, not an RTX 6090, still with a MSRP starting price of $2000.

A bit of a convo side step... but I remember being pretty pissed at having to fork out £695 for a relatively midrange performing 5070 TI. But bloody hell, looking at todays prices, I'm starting to think I got away with a bargain.

Funniest bit is, I remember a few people on here having a pop at me for supposedly FOMO buying when I was banging on about potential price hikes and shortages before pulling the trigger. Can't remember who they were now... which is a shame, because I'd quite like to give them a friendly wave. HOO HAA! :D

Well done, Jensen. Pull the plug. Hero.

wheresmycarA bit of a convo side step... but I remember being pretty pissed at having to fork out £695 for a relatively midrange performing 5070 TI. But bloody hell, looking at todays prices, I'm starting to think I got away with a bargain.

Funniest bit is, I remember a few people on here having a pop at me for supposedly FOMO buying when I was banging on about potential price hikes and shortages before pulling the trigger. Can't remember who they were now... which is a shame, because I'd quite like to give them a friendly wave. HOO HAA! :D

If someone wants to buy Nvidia, the best time is usually right at the launch of a new model in a new series. That's because Nvidia almost never cuts prices, especially when they aren't feeling any competitive pressure. It's a bad idea to buy an Nvidia card when new models are right around the corner—that's actually when you should be selling the Nvidia card you already have.

The exact opposite holds true for AMD. AMD has adopted a completely different strategy—one that many people, to be frank, hate. They launch with a relatively high MSRP, which is then followed by gradual, usually unannounced price cuts. And I say high MSRP precisely because those subsequent price drops prove the pricing could have been lower right from the start. They probably do this for a variety of reasons I can only speculate on. My guess is that it helps avoid triggering an immediate response from Nvidia. Nvidia might not feel under threat, but imagine if the RX 9070 XT had launched at $500—that might have been enough to force Nvidia into cutting prices for the first time in years. Alternatively, AMD might want to start high so the initial price tag projects a sense of equivalent value compared to Nvidia's lineup, while the later price drops can be framed by retailers as bargain deals. I don't know—there are plenty of theories.

Right now, though, with the AI craze, any graphics card with more than 8GB of VRAM has suddenly turned into an investment. I paid €340 for my RX 9060 XT 16GB, and I could probably easily find someone today willing to buy it for €400 or even more. I have no intention of doing so, but it's one of those rare and unfortunate situations where everything is becoming more expensive, and sadly, the underlying drivers behind these price increases aren't temporary.

LuminescenttCrazy how you read this post and immediately went, “AMD lol.”

Nvidia has the market dominance to charge whatever they want for GPUs, melting power cables, and increasingly anti-consumer pricing, yet you will defend them no matter what. The level of bootlicking is head scratching. I have to ask, when is enough, enough. Some of you disguise yourselves as intellectual, unbiased tech enthusiasts on these forums, but in reality you’re just mindless cattle defending a corporation that couldn’t care less about you.

So true... 👏👏👏

john_If someone wants to buy Nvidia, the best time is usually right at the launch of a new model in a new series. That's because Nvidia almost never cuts prices, especially when they aren't feeling any competitive pressure. It's a bad idea to buy an Nvidia card when new models are right around the corner—that's actually when you should be selling the Nvidia card you already have.

The exact opposite holds true for AMD. AMD has adopted a completely different strategy—one that many people, to be frank, hate. They launch with a relatively high MSRP, which is then followed by gradual, usually unannounced price cuts. And I say high MSRP precisely because those subsequent price drops prove the pricing could have been lower right from the start. They probably do this for a variety of reasons I can only speculate on. My guess is that it helps avoid triggering an immediate response from Nvidia. Nvidia might not feel under threat, but imagine if the RX 9070 XT had launched at $500—that might have been enough to force Nvidia into cutting prices for the first time in years. Alternatively, AMD might want to start high so the initial price tag projects a sense of equivalent value compared to Nvidia's lineup, while the later price drops can be framed by retailers as bargain deals. I don't know—there are plenty of theories.

Right now, though, with the AI craze, any graphics card with more than 8GB of VRAM has suddenly turned into an investment. I paid €340 for my RX 9060 XT 16GB, and I could probably easily find someone today willing to buy it for €400 or even more. I have no intention of doing so, but it's one of those rare and unfortunate situations where everything is becoming more expensive, and sadly, the underlying drivers behind these price increases aren't temporary.

Only this time around, prices have shot up from both camps.

A bit after launch the 9070 XT Sapphire Pulse was discounted to £530, and a cheaper ASRock variant for around £540. Usually those cards held strong for around £560-£580. Nowadays the cheapest model is going for £730 (according to PCPP affiliated links).

But I agree prior to 9000-series, AMD propped up prices and then dialled back in small increments and Nvidia, as usual, chisels prices into granite with a cough it up or sod off policy. Maybe its down to their 90%+ market share confidence or they've got a solid non compromising user base for gaming, CC and other prosumer workloads.

I actually thought AMDs 7000/9000 series came in with a pretty big punch and would change the dynamic a good bit. Then along came the AI/DC gold rush and pretty much pissed all over that possibility. lol the possibility of Nvidia card prices coming down? They shot holes through the roof and are currently hovering over the moon.

john_If someone wants to buy Nvidia, the best time is usually right at the launch of a new model in a new series. That's because Nvidia almost never cuts prices, especially when they aren't feeling any competitive pressure. It's a bad idea to buy an Nvidia card when new models are right around the corner—that's actually when you should be selling the Nvidia card you already have.

back then in like 2014 I bought GTX 760 2 GB and never felt sorry than I haven't wasted lotta more for a "fresh" GTX 960 lmfao. At the end of the day, they both SUCK today, lol:rolleyes::oops: